Unity and the PAC
04-18-2014, 11:02 AM
#61
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"In my 27+ years of airline flying including, three major airlines, two bankruptcy filings, three mergers, three difficult contract negotiations and three furloughs I have never seen or heard of the kind of stuff that has gone on here."
I won't bother responding to the BS but I will respond to the first paragraph because that's the root of your problem. In the 27+ years in the airline business you seem to have made some pretty bad decisions. When you ended up at CAL your career looked as if it was finally coming around. When Jeff, JP and Tilton showed up they brought in UAL and you felt your life taking another nose dive. Especially after JP filled your head with lies. If JP had been honest and played by the rules, all United pilots and that includes you CAL types would be better off in many ways.
You can keep whining, not wearing your ALPA pin and blaming ALPA for all your bad mistakes if you want, but time is moving on and if you do have 29+ years in the business you probably have don't have a lot of that left. I'd suggest you take the time left and get onboard and enjoy some of the your remaining time at UNITED.
I won't bother responding to the BS but I will respond to the first paragraph because that's the root of your problem. In the 27+ years in the airline business you seem to have made some pretty bad decisions. When you ended up at CAL your career looked as if it was finally coming around. When Jeff, JP and Tilton showed up they brought in UAL and you felt your life taking another nose dive. Especially after JP filled your head with lies. If JP had been honest and played by the rules, all United pilots and that includes you CAL types would be better off in many ways.
You can keep whining, not wearing your ALPA pin and blaming ALPA for all your bad mistakes if you want, but time is moving on and if you do have 29+ years in the business you probably have don't have a lot of that left. I'd suggest you take the time left and get onboard and enjoy some of the your remaining time at UNITED.
It's truly amazing how professional pilots, grown men, can't seem to manage their own expectations....
ALPA never was, never has been and never will be a pilots personal bargaining agent... Does your Congressman or City Council sit down each session and say "how can we make Joe Smith's life better?"
So when boys take off their pin and pout, it's really a head game in their own mind.....
Management loves these guys.. who are self made cracks that they can drive their wedge down deep and hard.... divide and conquer... the oldest game in the book... the easiest game to play... and we've so many that have been played...
So the bottom line is... do you want to cry and pout that you didn't get what you thought you should get, (not what you deserve) and be a management tool or do you want to unify so we can build on the current contract and make this career better...
04-18-2014, 11:17 AM
#62
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04-18-2014, 11:22 AM
#63
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No, you called yourselves Brain Surgeons, I believe it was when you referred to the Frontier pilots as General Practitioners. I am sure you were only looking out for their best interest as well.
04-18-2014, 12:13 PM
#64
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"Management loves these guys.. who are self made cracks that they can drive their wedge down deep and hard.... divide and conquer... the oldest game in the book... the easiest game to play... and we've so many that have been played..."
You mean guys who get scared into voting yes? Management REALLY loves THOSE guys. Oldest game in the book indeed.
You mean guys who get scared into voting yes? Management REALLY loves THOSE guys. Oldest game in the book indeed.
04-18-2014, 12:35 PM
#65
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"Management loves these guys.. who are self made cracks that they can drive their wedge down deep and hard.... divide and conquer... the oldest game in the book... the easiest game to play... and we've so many that have been played..."
You mean guys who get scared into voting yes? Management REALLY loves THOSE guys. Oldest game in the book indeed.
You mean guys who get scared into voting yes? Management REALLY loves THOSE guys. Oldest game in the book indeed.
You've got no factual or convincing argument to show that voting down the TA was a good move... just a belief system... a sense of bravado that makes you out to the the tough guy in conversation... that you were willing to take a STAND and be a MAN! Talk is easy...
But that is in the past now, and you still want to hold onto that baggage that you can't control or change....
Time to move on... whether you are right about the JCBA or ISL or whatever baggage you hold onto, having angst towards your fellow pilot is futile and what management loves...
Do you want the best contract we can get or do you want to be mad/dis-unified... can't be both...
04-18-2014, 12:39 PM
#66
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We will never be on the same team. Ever. I know you don't care. When even LUAL pilots think that the SLI award was good for them and not good for LCAL pilots (you said I should be embarrassed by the award...not the proposal...but the final award). Why would you care? I do know that the award didn't do much to build unity with its youngest members. Enjoy us.
04-18-2014, 12:43 PM
#67
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We will never be on the same team. Ever. I know you don't care. When even LUAL pilots think that the SLI award was good for them and not good for LCAL pilots (you said I should be embarrassed by the award...not the proposal...but the final award). Why would you care? I do know that the award didn't do much to build unity with its youngest members. Enjoy us.
I think one of the biggest problems is expectations... Jay P. and company did a very poor job... and even though the CAL proposal was outlandish, it made an impression and created expectations...
Why do you say 'with its youngest members'... on the CAL side, the youngest members gained quite a bit... more bids, more seats, more domiciles, more WB capt time in career... what am I missing? Need some insightful feedback...
04-18-2014, 12:55 PM
#68
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I think one of the biggest problems is expectations... Jay P. and company did a very poor job... and even though the CAL proposal was outlandish, it made an impression and created expectations...
Why do you say 'with its youngest members'... on the CAL side, the youngest members gained quite a bit... more bids, more seats, more domiciles, more WB capt time in career... what am I missing? Need some insightful feedback...
Why do you say 'with its youngest members'... on the CAL side, the youngest members gained quite a bit... more bids, more seats, more domiciles, more WB capt time in career... what am I missing? Need some insightful feedback...
pretty good.
