737 paired FOs on LOE
03-17-2014, 10:57 PM
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Just say no (or "no thank you" if you're into that whole politeness thing). Due to an unforeseen and totally unexpected manpower shortage in the Guppy fleet, the company is scheduling 737 FOs together to fly the LOE.
The MKV isn't a jeopardy event, although the LOE is. Several FOs have simply said no (or no thank you) and been rescheduled to fly with a Capt. as they would on a line flight. Your advocacy is the only way to be evaluated as part of a line proficient crew comprised of a Capt. and FO.
Should you chose to help the company solve this highly unanticipated shortage by flying the LOE as a dual FO crew, you open yourself to a higher chance of failing a check ride. Ask yourself how proficient are you in all phases of flight from the left seat?
Where is the Training Committee on this?
The MKV isn't a jeopardy event, although the LOE is. Several FOs have simply said no (or no thank you) and been rescheduled to fly with a Capt. as they would on a line flight. Your advocacy is the only way to be evaluated as part of a line proficient crew comprised of a Capt. and FO.
Should you chose to help the company solve this highly unanticipated shortage by flying the LOE as a dual FO crew, you open yourself to a higher chance of failing a check ride. Ask yourself how proficient are you in all phases of flight from the left seat?
Where is the Training Committee on this?
FO's & Cap's should not accept unpaired LOE events. The MV is still under some debate between the ALPA and the company, BUT, the company acknowledges that the LOE should be paired CAP/FO. Training scheduling is speeding on the contract because of the fires they are dealing with. I believe the 737 is the worst offender.
It's entirely up to you how you handle this. If you are scheduled and unpaired you can ping them once ahead of time or let them know the day you get there that you will not be participating in the LOE. The FODM will agree with you.
Please uphold the contract.
From the MEC update Feb 28:
Paired/Unpaired Crew Training A paired crew in training is a Captain and First Officer. An unpaired crew is either Captain-Captain or F/O- F/O. It is the Training Committee’s opinion that paired crew training is much more beneficial and realistic. Transition training in Houston has typically been scheduled unpaired. There were a number of reasons for this including a larger number of course “footprints” that included long and short courses for Captain upgrade training. These courses will be condensed going forward, and the number of unpaired crews will likely decrease as a result.
With regard to recurrent training, there have been instances of crews being unpaired. The UPA specifies that “A fully qualified crew whose names appear on the Seniority List shall be utilized during flight simulator proficiency checks”. It also specifies that “A Line First Officer shall not be assigned as a Captain fill-in for CQ evaluation events (LOE). If you are a First Officer, and find yourself paired with another First Officer for a CQ event, you must be assigned a fill-in Captain for the LOE portion of your training.
There is an exception for equipment types where augmentation is required. Because there are generally twice as many F/O’s as Captain’s it is not always possible to schedule CQ events as a paired crew. In this case, the use of two ATP-rated First Officers can fulfill this requirement for the LOE. In addition the latest training support document on the iPad delineates First Officer Left Seat Responsibilities on the 777 and 747 only. In these fleets, the First Officer is specifically not responsible for Captain’s flows and cockpit setup, Captain’s checklist responses, taxiing, and Captain’s aborted takeoff and autoland duties.
03-18-2014, 07:52 AM
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"In addition the latest training support document on the iPad delineates First Officer Left Seat Responsibilities on the 777 and 747 only. In these fleets, the First Officer is specifically not responsible for Captain’s flows and cockpit setup, Captain’s checklist responses, taxiing, and Captain’s aborted takeoff and autoland duties."
Not for the 737...
Not for the 737...
03-18-2014, 02:22 PM
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"Because there are generally twice as many F/O’s as Captain’s it is not always possible to schedule CQ events as a paired crew" as the updated stated.
As for the 757/767, it would logically seem that they would fall with the narrowbody philosophy as they are manned more towards 1 for 1 rather then the 400/777.
I honestly do not know where it stands with that fleet.
03-18-2014, 03:00 PM
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"In addition the latest training support document on the iPad delineates First Officer Left Seat Responsibilities on the 777 and 747 only. In these fleets, the First Officer is specifically not responsible for Captain’s flows and cockpit setup, Captain’s checklist responses, taxiing, and Captain’s aborted takeoff and autoland duties."
Not for the 737...
Not for the 737...
03-18-2014, 08:38 PM
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03-18-2014, 09:18 PM
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And I've heard some of the rescheduled FO LOE's have been paired with.... .....yet another FO. YCMTSU.
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