What is the next move?????
03-07-2014, 01:16 PM
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What is the next move?????
How do we let these guys float to the top. Considering the current tally for JH, it's time for him to go. What's he going to give away next for the sake of unity. If you think Wendy was bad for the pilots during this merger, all you got with JH was the male version. Time for him to go - tell your local reps.
And tell all our ALPA brothers he'll be looking to replace Moak at National shortly. Can you imagine what he'll give away at that level?
And tell all our ALPA brothers he'll be looking to replace Moak at National shortly. Can you imagine what he'll give away at that level?
03-07-2014, 02:14 PM
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How do we let these guys float to the top. Considering the current tally for JH, it's time for him to go. What's he going to give away next for the sake of unity. If you think Wendy was bad for the pilots during this merger, all you got with JH was the male version. Time for him to go - tell your local reps.
And tell all our ALPA brothers he'll be looking to replace Moak at National shortly. Can you imagine what he'll give away at that level?
And tell all our ALPA brothers he'll be looking to replace Moak at National shortly. Can you imagine what he'll give away at that level?
03-07-2014, 02:15 PM
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How do we let these guys float to the top. Considering the current tally for JH, it's time for him to go. What's he going to give away next for the sake of unity. If you think Wendy was bad for the pilots during this merger, all you got with JH was the male version. Time for him to go - tell your local reps.
And tell all our ALPA brothers he'll be looking to replace Moak at National shortly. Can you imagine what he'll give away at that level?
And tell all our ALPA brothers he'll be looking to replace Moak at National shortly. Can you imagine what he'll give away at that level?
Alternatively, how about you pop the top on another cold one and go mutter to yourself in the corner.
03-07-2014, 02:19 PM
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Thank's for such a well-reasoned and clearly articulated position statement. Because of your liberal use of clear examples and informative power of persuasion, it's clear that all current ALPA volunteers should just quit.
Alternatively, how about you pop the top on another cold one and go mutter to yourself in the corner.
Alternatively, how about you pop the top on another cold one and go mutter to yourself in the corner.
03-07-2014, 02:24 PM
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Not sure what he gave away. If you went to a union meeting in the last 6 months, you would have known that all the company was offering was to take back the money. And furthermore, the odds of getting actual cash damages was a long shot. This grievance was about violating the TPA/status quo, not about us getting shorted on PS. That is the next one...3L. Demanding that the company take back the CAL ps would be a huge mistake, and a Company wet dream. It's done.
Oh, and all we got with JH v Wendy was a CONTRACT!!
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Oh, and all we got with JH v Wendy was a CONTRACT!!
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03-07-2014, 02:36 PM
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Not sure what he gave away. If you went to a union meeting in the last 6 months, you would have known that all the company was offering was to take back the money. And furthermore, the odds of getting actual cash damages was a long shot. This grievance was about violating the TPA/status quo, not about us getting shorted on PS. That is the next one...3L. Demanding that the company take back the CAL ps would be a huge mistake, and a Company wet dream. It's done.
Oh, and all we got with JH v Wendy was a CONTRACT!!
Sled
Oh, and all we got with JH v Wendy was a CONTRACT!!
Sled
03-07-2014, 02:43 PM
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The UAL MEC has been clear from the start of the profit sharing grievance that they don't take issue with CAL pilots getting paid, however they do take issue that the company violated the TP&A.
The UAL MEC grieved it and won, although the remedy allowed the company to claw back the money from CAL pilots. What's the benefit to the UAL pilot group, or the combined pilot group to take the money away from the CAL pilots? Clawing back money from CAL pilots, doesn't mean that amount is handed over to the UAL side, so who benefits other than the company?
I'm all for exposing (and never forgetting) the BS of JP and crew AND the company, but tossing out the MEC because the company won one doesn't make sense.
The UAL MEC grieved it and won, although the remedy allowed the company to claw back the money from CAL pilots. What's the benefit to the UAL pilot group, or the combined pilot group to take the money away from the CAL pilots? Clawing back money from CAL pilots, doesn't mean that amount is handed over to the UAL side, so who benefits other than the company?
I'm all for exposing (and never forgetting) the BS of JP and crew AND the company, but tossing out the MEC because the company won one doesn't make sense.
03-07-2014, 02:53 PM
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No, JH initially tried to get contract improvements for all United pilots because he thought that would be palatable to both groups and it be worth more money. Guess what, Jeff saw it as a weakness and the company lawyers dug in their hills. The cal side got paid and Ual side didn't. It was JH that played this game and we now have a continued rift between the groups - he is no better than JP. He needs to go.
03-07-2014, 02:56 PM
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03-07-2014, 03:03 PM
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No like improvements to an already ratified UPA. He should have gone straight for compensation for the Ual side and not contract improvement for all. As it turns out he gave away LUal money but hey, the cal side got paid that amount - why complain.
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