What is the next move?????
03-07-2014, 03:10 PM
#11
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You are so out of touch it's alarming. You can thank Wendy and JP for completely destroying whatever leverage we had via the DOJ. After that, it was game over for us, and the company knew it.... as demonstrated by the pace of negotiations before and after DOJ approval.
Our contract may not be great, but considering he was fighting the company AND JP, I think JH pulled a rabbit out of the hat. As a LUAL pilot you ought to know that time was the enemy, and the deal needed to get done ASAP.
Our contract may not be great, but considering he was fighting the company AND JP, I think JH pulled a rabbit out of the hat. As a LUAL pilot you ought to know that time was the enemy, and the deal needed to get done ASAP.
03-07-2014, 03:12 PM
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No, JH initially tried to get contract improvements for all United pilots because he thought that would be palatable to both groups and it be worth more money. Guess what, Jeff saw it as a weakness and the company lawyers dug in their hills. The cal side got paid and Ual side didn't. It was JH that played this game and we now have a continued rift between the groups - he is no better than JP. He needs to go.
03-07-2014, 03:17 PM
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No doubt UAL pilots got hosed on this, but what's the future benefit other than a few bucks in your pocket and the ability to swing your wood? The 2nd part of the grievance has yet to be answered and could result in some cash, no?
03-07-2014, 03:18 PM
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You are so out of touch it's alarming. You can thank Wendy and JP for completely destroying whatever leverage we had via the DOJ. After that, it was game over for us, and the company knew it.... as demonstrated by the pace of negotiations before and after DOJ approval.
Our contract may not be great, but considering he was fighting the company AND JP, I think JH pulled a rabbit out of the hat. As a LUAL pilot you ought to know that time was the enemy, and the deal needed to get done ASAP.
Our contract may not be great, but considering he was fighting the company AND JP, I think JH pulled a rabbit out of the hat. As a LUAL pilot you ought to know that time was the enemy, and the deal needed to get done ASAP.
03-07-2014, 03:29 PM
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ps - jsled supported JH's stunt to get contract improvement as a settlement. Search his post for reference.
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03-08-2014, 05:04 PM
#16
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"hopeSales"....Who are you and what is your motivation?...Are you a senior WB captain or a 2172? Running for office?, UPA pusher?.....Me, I'm just a lowly 1997 UAL hire sitting in the right seat of the 76T in IAH. Crappy as it may be, The UPA JH brought us and 67 percent voted for was a necessity. Not sure what your intentions are with your statements. Enlighten us by revealing a little more about yourself please. I'm not wasting my time digging up anyone's posting history.
03-08-2014, 08:54 PM
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Yes I agree but it wasn't because JH did it - it fell in his lap and I guess he can accept congrats for it. This event was separate from all that and JH played the wrong cards trying to turn it into a windfall for all instead of compensating those wronged. JH needs to go.
03-09-2014, 05:18 AM
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Not sure what he gave away. If you went to a union meeting in the last 6 months, you would have known that all the company was offering was to take back the money. And furthermore, the odds of getting actual cash damages was a long shot. This grievance was about violating the TPA/status quo, not about us getting shorted on PS. That is the next one...3L. Demanding that the company take back the CAL ps would be a huge mistake, and a Company wet dream. It's done.
Oh, and all we got with JH v Wendy was a CONTRACT!!
Sled
Oh, and all we got with JH v Wendy was a CONTRACT!!
Sled
Morse got nothing but back stabbing from the MEC but we would have had the contract whether she was in or Heppner was in.
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