Profit Sharing Grievance
03-15-2014, 10:47 AM
#171
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Ha! More proof of your alternate reality! LUAL was considered the lowest of the low! EVERY single pax that I've spoken to since the merger - EVERY ONE - laments the day of the merger and wishes that Continental never merged with the anchor of UAL. Pre-merger, UAL pilots were literally begging to join with CAL. Not once did I ever hear a pax or employee hope that we merged with UAL. The common belief was UAL would soon liquidate and then all the legacies would pick up the pieces. (Of course, I'm expecting you to deny any of this since all that seems to count in many LUAL pilots' eyes, particularly your merger committee and former employee mR. Eichen, is the ONE year that you all actually made a profit in the last TEN plus!)
You are either flame baiting or completely delusional...
You are either flame baiting or completely delusional...
03-15-2014, 11:36 AM
#172
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Ha! More proof of your alternate reality! LUAL was considered the lowest of the low! EVERY single pax that I've spoken to since the merger - EVERY ONE - laments the day of the merger and wishes that Continental never merged with the anchor of UAL. Pre-merger, UAL pilots were literally begging to join with CAL. Not once did I ever hear a pax or employee hope that we merged with UAL. The common belief was UAL would soon liquidate and then all the legacies would pick up the pieces. (Of course, I'm expecting you to deny any of this since all that seems to count in many LUAL pilots' eyes, particularly your merger committee and former employee mR. Eichen, is the ONE year that you all actually made a profit in the last TEN plus!)
You are either flame baiting or completely delusional...
You are either flame baiting or completely delusional...
Last edited by nopac6; 03-15-2014 at 11:57 AM.
03-15-2014, 11:41 AM
#173
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Position: 787 Capt.
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You digress from the original issue, but I'll play along. Just because you say you're scared of the boogey man doesn't make him real. Did you even read the TPA? This nonsense of taking CA seats, routes, etc from the LUAL side is utter rubbish. You can continue to play the game that LUAL was a healthy airline, but deep down you know that LUAL was in big, big trouble and the merger resuscitated your careers. The TPA protected 100% of CAL flying but only 90% of the LUAL flying. YOUR MEC agreed to this. Merger of equals? Yeah right.
Btw - My question was NOT rhetorical. Slick tie or internet tough guy who votes yes to save his career and then plays Mr. High and Mighty? Who most resembles the scab?
Btw - My question was NOT rhetorical. Slick tie or internet tough guy who votes yes to save his career and then plays Mr. High and Mighty? Who most resembles the scab?
03-15-2014, 01:57 PM
#174
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To throw a bone to the ual management to make them think they were contributing something.....didn't we tell you smallsak was an idiot?
03-15-2014, 01:59 PM
#175
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So now Smisek is a genius and smart business man?!!!??? "My guy" turned UAL down TWICE! Larry Kellner saw the decay and top heavy structure of UAL and ran away as fast as he could. You could thank Chase (and of course Jeffery!) for the merger.
03-15-2014, 02:09 PM
#176
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Mitch. In April of 2010 UAL and US were about to sign a deal. Smisek jumped in and stopped it ( remember that the ugly girl / pretty girl bit?). Why? If your business plan was so solid, why did he jump in? If UAL was to liquidate as you say, why would he have cared about it?
03-15-2014, 02:12 PM
#177
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I agree that Jeff is an idiot but this was the biggest decision of all. It needed to be approved by the board, the largest shareholders, the banks, etc. Obviously, all the major players (excepting yourself) were in agreement that using the United brand was the most favorable course of action. How do you reconcile that FACT with your belief that the Continental brand and identity were so superior?
03-15-2014, 05:38 PM
#178
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Posts: 178
Just like I figured, just shooting the mouth off as usual. I can only hope you are not really a Ual pilot and just come on here to stir the pot. I was not "harping" just asked a simple question from your previous post, of course just some random silly response from you. Your comment about anything I lost was fair says plenty about you and how you look at things here as a group.
03-15-2014, 05:40 PM
#179
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Most CAL "my guy" choice is Gordon and he still to this day gives props to sCAL Jeff Smisek...
03-15-2014, 05:43 PM
#180
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Yes, let's use Smisek's "genius" when it fits our little facade. Smisek is an idiot as I'm sure you've preached when complaining how how "CAL" mgt is over their head. Reference my last post - the merger was driven by Chase and Smisek was the inflated ego stupid enough to take the deal. Kellner Turned UAL down TWICE and was determined to grow from within. What reality do you guys live in?!! The majority of your airplanes are old and decrepit! Ive DH around the system a lot since the merger and have seen many different LUAL fleets. UAL aircraft were a mess before the merger. We've had to spend millions to bring them up to speed. You've got 180 managers to every 1 (obvious exaggeration to make a point) that CAL had!
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