Profit Sharing Grievance
03-15-2014, 07:07 AM
#161
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Posts: 1,861
Ha! More proof of your alternate reality! LUAL was considered the lowest of the low! EVERY single pax that I've spoken to since the merger - EVERY ONE - laments the day of the merger and wishes that Continental never merged with the anchor of UAL. Pre-merger, UAL pilots were literally begging to join with CAL. Not once did I ever hear a pax or employee hope that we merged with UAL. The common belief was UAL would soon liquidate and then all the legacies would pick up the pieces. (Of course, I'm expecting you to deny any of this since all that seems to count in many LUAL pilots' eyes, particularly your merger committee and former employee mR. Eichen, is the ONE year that you all actually made a profit in the last TEN plus!)
You are either flame baiting or completely delusional...
You are either flame baiting or completely delusional...
Keep sending extra money to the lawsuit - it will make a difference .....is that common knowledge too?!
03-15-2014, 07:23 AM
#162
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If you want numbers to get worked up over:
Of the 67% that passed it.
Capt = 55% F/O = 35%
LUAL = 47% LCAl = 53%
Not real - just for SYD.
Now chew on that in your little world. How come you haven't cried about the PS fiasco or asked of JH to resign?
03-15-2014, 07:30 AM
#163
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Ha! More proof of your alternate reality! LUAL was considered the lowest of the low! EVERY single pax that I've spoken to since the merger - EVERY ONE - laments the day of the merger and wishes that Continental never merged with the anchor of UAL. Pre-merger, UAL pilots were literally begging to join with CAL. Not once did I ever hear a pax or employee hope that we merged with UAL. The common belief was UAL would soon liquidate and then all the legacies would pick up the pieces. (Of course, I'm expecting you to deny any of this since all that seems to count in many LUAL pilots' eyes, particularly your merger committee and former employee mR. Eichen, is the ONE year that you all actually made a profit in the last TEN plus!)
You are either flame baiting or completely delusional...
You are either flame baiting or completely delusional...
03-15-2014, 08:07 AM
#165
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: A320 Cap
Posts: 2,282
Another bit of hypocrisy from the LUAL side is how while you had no contractual protections to the keep a 737 base from opening in SFO, it was not opened because of the emotional impact LUAL types would have. Yet the LCAL emotional impact from us being the only group without PS is discounted as "it was not in your contract, why do you expect it."
03-15-2014, 08:20 AM
#166
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Position: A320 Cap
Posts: 2,282
Ha! More proof of your alternate reality! LUAL was considered the lowest of the low! EVERY single pax that I've spoken to since the merger - EVERY ONE - laments the day of the merger and wishes that Continental never merged with the anchor of UAL. Pre-merger, UAL pilots were literally begging to join with CAL. Not once did I ever hear a pax or employee hope that we merged with UAL. The common belief was UAL would soon liquidate and then all the legacies would pick up the pieces. (Of course, I'm expecting you to deny any of this since all that seems to count in many LUAL pilots' eyes, particularly your merger committee and former employee mR. Eichen, is the ONE year that you all actually made a profit in the last TEN plus!)
You are either flame baiting or completely delusional...
You are either flame baiting or completely delusional...
There is no sense responding to a delusional post with a delusional response. LUAL liquidating?? You should really go review the financials in 2010 pre merger.
No offense, but I've never seen anything like the operation we've been running over the past year. Everything is a total nightmare. I'm well aware of LUAL's issues, our past, struggles with passenger satisfaction etc. The trend, however, was moving upward from a VERY low bottom. Tilton wanted a merger and managed as such. The employees were along for the ride. The choice was CAL or USAirways. CAL seemed the better choice, though I think 100% of us would have preferred to work for a management that wanted to RUN an airline and grow independently. I GUARANTEE you the 1998 hires who are now below your 2006 hires would have preferred it. So you were the better of the two choices we were faced with. I wouldn't get so excited about that.
On the CAL side your systems, managers and leaders are now controlling the airline. I'm not sure if they don't work because they can't handle the addition of so many employees, or if the merger is exposing how poor they are, but clearly it's not working. And it's not just the pilots. The CAL team is choosing to divide and conquer the flight attendants STILL with no end in sight. The better path is on display at Delta every day but Jeff doesn't want to see it. In the meantime I still find pay errors every month, can't figure out this horrendous PBS, and can't tell how long my sit is between flights without doing the math rather than just looking at the number.
I'm exaggerating to make my point. LCAL was not the pinnacle of a auto you pretend it was. LUAL was by no means going away. I hope you realize that and were just responding to hopesales typical flame bait. If you notice, many of us LUAL's have called him out for his ridiculous posts. Don't sink to that level.
03-15-2014, 08:22 AM
#167
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Position: A320 Cap
Posts: 2,282
He is a loudmouth. But since you're a 737 FO I'm guessing you haven't been around too long, so I'm going to offer some advice. You don't want to do that... Because it goes much deeper than just ignoring you.
03-15-2014, 08:26 AM
#168
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 737 fo
Posts: 908
Just as the SFO base was not opened. The difference being the LCAL pilots did go around crying about how the LUAL pilots were afforded protections that were negotiated for by them. I wonder what the LCAL pilot group got since you guys negotiated these protections outside of the TPA with the company.
03-15-2014, 08:57 AM
#169
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: B-777 left
Posts: 1,415
Syd, I think everybody knows where you come from. You want to keep harping about the contract that stopped the blood bath going on toward the bottom of the list. I'm beginning to think you really are a CAL guy. If you are who you say you are and senior enough to be a 777 Captain then you lost very little and anything you did lose was fair payment for past protections.
If you want numbers to get worked up over:
Of the 67% that passed it.
Capt = 55% F/O = 35%
LUAL = 47% LCAl = 53%
Not real - just for SYD.
Now chew on that in your little world. How come you haven't cried about the PS fiasco or asked of JH to resign?
If you want numbers to get worked up over:
Of the 67% that passed it.
Capt = 55% F/O = 35%
LUAL = 47% LCAl = 53%
Not real - just for SYD.
Now chew on that in your little world. How come you haven't cried about the PS fiasco or asked of JH to resign?
03-15-2014, 09:06 AM
#170
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 342
There is no sense responding to a delusional post with a delusional response. LUAL liquidating?? You should really go review the financials in 2010 pre merger.
No offense, but I've never seen anything like the operation we've been running over the past year. Everything is a total nightmare. I'm well aware of LUAL's issues, our past, struggles with passenger satisfaction etc. The trend, however, was moving upward from a VERY low bottom. Tilton wanted a merger and managed as such. The employees were along for the ride. The choice was CAL or USAirways. CAL seemed the better choice, though I think 100% of us would have preferred to work for a management that wanted to RUN an airline and grow independently. I GUARANTEE you the 1998 hires who are now below your 2006 hires would have preferred it. So you were the better of the two choices we were faced with. I wouldn't get so excited about that.
On the CAL side your systems, managers and leaders are now controlling the airline. I'm not sure if they don't work because they can't handle the addition of so many employees, or if the merger is exposing how poor they are, but clearly it's not working. And it's not just the pilots. The CAL team is choosing to divide and conquer the flight attendants STILL with no end in sight. The better path is on display at Delta every day but Jeff doesn't want to see it. In the meantime I still find pay errors every month, can't figure out this horrendous PBS, and can't tell how long my sit is between flights without doing the math rather than just looking at the number.
I'm exaggerating to make my point. LCAL was not the pinnacle of a auto you pretend it was. LUAL was by no means going away. I hope you realize that and were just responding to hopesales typical flame bait. If you notice, many of us LUAL's have called him out for his ridiculous posts. Don't sink to that level.
No offense, but I've never seen anything like the operation we've been running over the past year. Everything is a total nightmare. I'm well aware of LUAL's issues, our past, struggles with passenger satisfaction etc. The trend, however, was moving upward from a VERY low bottom. Tilton wanted a merger and managed as such. The employees were along for the ride. The choice was CAL or USAirways. CAL seemed the better choice, though I think 100% of us would have preferred to work for a management that wanted to RUN an airline and grow independently. I GUARANTEE you the 1998 hires who are now below your 2006 hires would have preferred it. So you were the better of the two choices we were faced with. I wouldn't get so excited about that.
On the CAL side your systems, managers and leaders are now controlling the airline. I'm not sure if they don't work because they can't handle the addition of so many employees, or if the merger is exposing how poor they are, but clearly it's not working. And it's not just the pilots. The CAL team is choosing to divide and conquer the flight attendants STILL with no end in sight. The better path is on display at Delta every day but Jeff doesn't want to see it. In the meantime I still find pay errors every month, can't figure out this horrendous PBS, and can't tell how long my sit is between flights without doing the math rather than just looking at the number.
I'm exaggerating to make my point. LCAL was not the pinnacle of a auto you pretend it was. LUAL was by no means going away. I hope you realize that and were just responding to hopesales typical flame bait. If you notice, many of us LUAL's have called him out for his ridiculous posts. Don't sink to that level.
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