Profit Sharing Grievance
03-14-2014, 01:10 PM
#131
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Hope
Let me correct one thing.
I'd have only been a "crawl back" had I not got a job elsewhere as have many of my fellow UAL pilots and friends who hired on at UAL after the 83 strike. But, I also know a few who didn't get hired at another airline and held out until the end of the 83 strike and went back to work at CAL.
Let me correct one thing.
I'd have only been a "crawl back" had I not got a job elsewhere as have many of my fellow UAL pilots and friends who hired on at UAL after the 83 strike. But, I also know a few who didn't get hired at another airline and held out until the end of the 83 strike and went back to work at CAL.
03-14-2014, 01:50 PM
#132
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hope
"Did you willingly quit United to go to work for Continental? "
What? Where did you get that idea?
How do I say this nicely? When I got hired by UAL in late 70s CAL was my second choice. They had a reputation on the West Coast that was above everyone. I applied and UAL called and this is where I've been since.
If I had been hired at CAL I'd been a "crawl back" who held out until the end from the strike of 83. Had I been looking for a job CAL would have been my last choice up until the Bethune era. In the past few years (prior to the merge) I have been encouraging the young pilot I know looking for a job to apply at CAL because of the age of the Seniority list and the expected airplane orders.
The only reason I would have "willingly quit" UAL would have come from crossing the 85 picket line (I didn't BTW I carried a sign until the last day). UAL, especially in the early day after the strike, was a horrible place for scabs to work. Frankly I don't know how they stayed with us.
Moving on, any more questions?
How about you, have you ever really walked a picket line at UAL (or anywhere else) or just talk tough about it?
"Did you willingly quit United to go to work for Continental? "
What? Where did you get that idea?
How do I say this nicely? When I got hired by UAL in late 70s CAL was my second choice. They had a reputation on the West Coast that was above everyone. I applied and UAL called and this is where I've been since.
If I had been hired at CAL I'd been a "crawl back" who held out until the end from the strike of 83. Had I been looking for a job CAL would have been my last choice up until the Bethune era. In the past few years (prior to the merge) I have been encouraging the young pilot I know looking for a job to apply at CAL because of the age of the Seniority list and the expected airplane orders.
The only reason I would have "willingly quit" UAL would have come from crossing the 85 picket line (I didn't BTW I carried a sign until the last day). UAL, especially in the early day after the strike, was a horrible place for scabs to work. Frankly I don't know how they stayed with us.
Moving on, any more questions?
How about you, have you ever really walked a picket line at UAL (or anywhere else) or just talk tough about it?
03-14-2014, 02:18 PM
#134
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All of this "unity" that is allegedly displayed by wearing the pin means NOTHING when you are constantly bending over and voting yes to save YOUR butt. Give me a break.
03-14-2014, 02:30 PM
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hope
"Did you willingly quit United to go to work for Continental? "
What? Where did you get that idea?
How do I say this nicely? When I got hired by UAL in late 70s CAL was my second choice. They had a reputation on the West Coast that was above everyone. I applied and UAL called and this is where I've been since.
If I had been hired at CAL I'd been a "crawl back" who held out until the end from the strike of 83. Had I been looking for a job CAL would have been my last choice up until the Bethune era. In the past few years (prior to the merge) I have been encouraging the young pilot I know looking for a job to apply at CAL because of the age of the Seniority list and the expected airplane orders.
The only reason I would have "willingly quit" UAL would have come from crossing the 85 picket line (I didn't BTW I carried a sign until the last day). UAL, especially in the early day after the strike, was a horrible place for scabs to work. Frankly I don't know how they stayed with us.
Moving on, any more questions?
How about you, have you ever really walked a picket line at UAL (or anywhere else) or just talk tough about it?
"Did you willingly quit United to go to work for Continental? "
What? Where did you get that idea?
How do I say this nicely? When I got hired by UAL in late 70s CAL was my second choice. They had a reputation on the West Coast that was above everyone. I applied and UAL called and this is where I've been since.
If I had been hired at CAL I'd been a "crawl back" who held out until the end from the strike of 83. Had I been looking for a job CAL would have been my last choice up until the Bethune era. In the past few years (prior to the merge) I have been encouraging the young pilot I know looking for a job to apply at CAL because of the age of the Seniority list and the expected airplane orders.
The only reason I would have "willingly quit" UAL would have come from crossing the 85 picket line (I didn't BTW I carried a sign until the last day). UAL, especially in the early day after the strike, was a horrible place for scabs to work. Frankly I don't know how they stayed with us.
Moving on, any more questions?
How about you, have you ever really walked a picket line at UAL (or anywhere else) or just talk tough about it?
Hope
Oops you misread what I wrote. I'm an ex UAL pilot who was hired just before the crash in PDX which caused CLR to be invented. CLR was a UAL copyrighted program mandated by the FAA as a result of two pilots letting an egomaniac pilot run the airplane out of fuel. The UAL course used to take several days and many of us took it at the Cherry Creek Inn.
CRM is the FAA, non-copyrighted name and all US certified airlines must have some approved program in place. TEM is the latest dumbed down version of CRM with nothing about captains and crew members fitting into the 1-9 matrix of command types.
Oops you misread what I wrote. I'm an ex UAL pilot who was hired just before the crash in PDX which caused CLR to be invented. CLR was a UAL copyrighted program mandated by the FAA as a result of two pilots letting an egomaniac pilot run the airplane out of fuel. The UAL course used to take several days and many of us took it at the Cherry Creek Inn.
CRM is the FAA, non-copyrighted name and all US certified airlines must have some approved program in place. TEM is the latest dumbed down version of CRM with nothing about captains and crew members fitting into the 1-9 matrix of command types.
Last edited by hopeSales; 03-14-2014 at 02:59 PM.
03-14-2014, 03:01 PM
#136
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Hope
I still work for the New UAL, as do all of us, so the UAL I started at in 78 is gone, caput, nada, doesn't exist anymore. That's why I'm Ex-UAL.
There is nothing left of the United Airlines of old and the sooner many of us get over that the happier they'll be.
Retirement? Coming up, but I'm hoping the 787 will open before then with 25 airplanes, if not I guess the 747 will be my current and last stop.
Ps. I'm one of those who hates the loss of UAL but is happy the deal was made. Personally I had my doubts either UAL or CAL would make it into the next decade.
I still work for the New UAL, as do all of us, so the UAL I started at in 78 is gone, caput, nada, doesn't exist anymore. That's why I'm Ex-UAL.
There is nothing left of the United Airlines of old and the sooner many of us get over that the happier they'll be.
Retirement? Coming up, but I'm hoping the 787 will open before then with 25 airplanes, if not I guess the 747 will be my current and last stop.
Ps. I'm one of those who hates the loss of UAL but is happy the deal was made. Personally I had my doubts either UAL or CAL would make it into the next decade.
03-14-2014, 03:07 PM
#137
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Hope and others who seem to think walking the picket line makes them a hero. Here's my take, it was what I was expected to do and a part of being a pilot for United Airlines. I did my duty then as a part of the pilot group as a whole as I do it now by following and supporting the contract we all live under today.
We, who walked the line just did what we had to do, nothing more, nothing less and I believe the expectation for all you who may be called in the future will do the same.
We, who walked the line just did what we had to do, nothing more, nothing less and I believe the expectation for all you who may be called in the future will do the same.
03-14-2014, 03:22 PM
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Sunvox
Please go to our WOM AT10.11 under Mach Number Technique and it says this"It is acceptable to use the Cost Index/ECON to maintain assign Mach..."
So what trumps?
Is it International Law to not use ECON or is it a route regulation to maintain assigned Mach?
Damned pesky details!
I fix the Mach per your reference to avoid writing reports because of a violation of maintaining assigned Mach, per the FOM.
These conversations sure weed out the details. But why would any one risk not maintaining the assigned Mach by using ECON? I guess some just like to live life on the edge!
Please go to our WOM AT10.11 under Mach Number Technique and it says this"It is acceptable to use the Cost Index/ECON to maintain assign Mach..."
So what trumps?
Is it International Law to not use ECON or is it a route regulation to maintain assigned Mach?
Damned pesky details!
I fix the Mach per your reference to avoid writing reports because of a violation of maintaining assigned Mach, per the FOM.
These conversations sure weed out the details. But why would any one risk not maintaining the assigned Mach by using ECON? I guess some just like to live life on the edge!
03-14-2014, 04:09 PM
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Hope and others who seem to think walking the picket line makes them a hero. Here's my take, it was what I was expected to do and a part of being a pilot for United Airlines. I did my duty then as a part of the pilot group as a whole as I do it now by following and supporting the contract we all live under today.
We, who walked the line just did what we had to do, nothing more, nothing less and I believe the expectation for all you who may be called in the future will do the same.
We, who walked the line just did what we had to do, nothing more, nothing less and I believe the expectation for all you who may be called in the future will do the same.
hope
"Did you willingly quit United to go to work for Continental? "
What? Where did you get that idea?
How do I say this nicely? When I got hired by UAL in late 70s CAL was my second choice. They had a reputation on the West Coast that was above everyone. I applied and UAL called and this is where I've been since.
If I had been hired at CAL I'd been a "crawl back" who held out until the end from the strike of 83. Had I been looking for a job CAL would have been my last choice up until the Bethune era. In the past few years (prior to the merge) I have been encouraging the young pilot I know looking for a job to apply at CAL because of the age of the Seniority list and the expected airplane orders.
The only reason I would have "willingly quit" UAL would have come from crossing the 85 picket line (I didn't BTW I carried a sign until the last day). UAL, especially in the early day after the strike, was a horrible place for scabs to work. Frankly I don't know how they stayed with us.
Moving on, any more questions?
How about you, have you ever really walked a picket line at UAL (or anywhere else) or just talk tough about it?
"Did you willingly quit United to go to work for Continental? "
What? Where did you get that idea?
How do I say this nicely? When I got hired by UAL in late 70s CAL was my second choice. They had a reputation on the West Coast that was above everyone. I applied and UAL called and this is where I've been since.
If I had been hired at CAL I'd been a "crawl back" who held out until the end from the strike of 83. Had I been looking for a job CAL would have been my last choice up until the Bethune era. In the past few years (prior to the merge) I have been encouraging the young pilot I know looking for a job to apply at CAL because of the age of the Seniority list and the expected airplane orders.
The only reason I would have "willingly quit" UAL would have come from crossing the 85 picket line (I didn't BTW I carried a sign until the last day). UAL, especially in the early day after the strike, was a horrible place for scabs to work. Frankly I don't know how they stayed with us.
Moving on, any more questions?
How about you, have you ever really walked a picket line at UAL (or anywhere else) or just talk tough about it?
Last edited by hopeSales; 03-14-2014 at 04:46 PM.
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