Profit Sharing Grievance
03-12-2014, 04:37 PM
#91
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Can't comment on any of your other stuff other to say it's not surprising and I'm sure the names are familiar to everyone but I call bull**** on this. Not only is it NOT standard, for years they bought your seat if they needed it, but I can name at least ten people I personally know who ARE "complaining." IMHO, sometimes something a little stronger than a grievance is necessary to hammer a point home.
03-12-2014, 07:52 PM
#92
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Well I do know a little about how "the CAL side" works as I have a whole 6 weeks under my belt as a 756 FO. So far this is what I've had to listen to:
1) No CAL pilot ever wanted this merger.
2) United was like the Titanic; it kept running into the iceberg over and over.
3) It's all about the W2.
4) You know what junior CAL pilots have learned from all this? It's better to be a SCAB because they have the best careers.
and then there's the other trivia:
1) no one knew about escape routes over Greenland including LCA.
2) cockpit had numerous items worth writing up, but "we don't worry about that small stuff"
3) all flight planning done at the hotel without any FO input
4) crew desk took away a flying id and converted me to IRO for another FOs IOE. That's a grievance, but apparently it is standard operation at CAL and the FOs don't complain.
5) 78 hours min a month for bid range versus 70 on UAL side. For the W2 worshippers that's great but for those of us happy to make our minimum who want to enjoy life at home that's two days lost at work.
6) meals: your specific crew meal doesn't exist and you eat when the FAs finish their service. None of this eating first crap. The pilots are last.
7)Most guys bring their own minitel because minitels aren't always in the cockpit. Apparently they kept getting stolen and now the company has taken to putting a metal collar on the wires and screwing them into the sidewall to keep them from getting stolen but meantime most CAL pilots seem to think it is their responsibility to bring their own minitel.
8) International law prohibits flying ECON over the Atlantic but that's how they do it at CAL. Manage ECON to stay close but not exactly on speed because they told ATC that they agreed ATC could give them the speed but ATC couldn't tell them HOW to fly that speed so using ECON is ok. and of course CAL saves sooooo much gas by playing around with ECON the whole way across instead of just putting in .80. Yeah .80 would be too easy
So far NOT impressed and actually very disappointed that I already ran into Captains that are willing to bring politics into the cockpit. To me not so professional and it will make for a sadly tortuous career based in EWR if they are the "norm". Hopefully I just got unlucky on my first couple flights and things will get better. At least that's what I'm hoping . . .
1) No CAL pilot ever wanted this merger.
2) United was like the Titanic; it kept running into the iceberg over and over.
3) It's all about the W2.
4) You know what junior CAL pilots have learned from all this? It's better to be a SCAB because they have the best careers.
and then there's the other trivia:
1) no one knew about escape routes over Greenland including LCA.
2) cockpit had numerous items worth writing up, but "we don't worry about that small stuff"
3) all flight planning done at the hotel without any FO input
4) crew desk took away a flying id and converted me to IRO for another FOs IOE. That's a grievance, but apparently it is standard operation at CAL and the FOs don't complain.
5) 78 hours min a month for bid range versus 70 on UAL side. For the W2 worshippers that's great but for those of us happy to make our minimum who want to enjoy life at home that's two days lost at work.
6) meals: your specific crew meal doesn't exist and you eat when the FAs finish their service. None of this eating first crap. The pilots are last.
7)Most guys bring their own minitel because minitels aren't always in the cockpit. Apparently they kept getting stolen and now the company has taken to putting a metal collar on the wires and screwing them into the sidewall to keep them from getting stolen but meantime most CAL pilots seem to think it is their responsibility to bring their own minitel.
8) International law prohibits flying ECON over the Atlantic but that's how they do it at CAL. Manage ECON to stay close but not exactly on speed because they told ATC that they agreed ATC could give them the speed but ATC couldn't tell them HOW to fly that speed so using ECON is ok. and of course CAL saves sooooo much gas by playing around with ECON the whole way across instead of just putting in .80. Yeah .80 would be too easy
So far NOT impressed and actually very disappointed that I already ran into Captains that are willing to bring politics into the cockpit. To me not so professional and it will make for a sadly tortuous career based in EWR if they are the "norm". Hopefully I just got unlucky on my first couple flights and things will get better. At least that's what I'm hoping . . .
I flew the 777 for several years. That's ^^^ all a crock of sh%t. Your ego is getting in the way of reality. Stop lying.
03-12-2014, 08:35 PM
#94
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Hope
Oops you misread what I wrote. I'm an ex UAL pilot who was hired just before the crash in PDX which caused CLR to be invented. CLR was a UAL copyrighted program mandated by the FAA as a result of two pilots letting an egomaniac pilot run the airplane out of fuel. The UAL course used to take several days and many of us took it at the Cherry Creek Inn.
CRM is the FAA, non-copyrighted name and all US certified airlines must have some approved program in place. TEM is the latest dumbed down version of CRM with nothing about captains and crew members fitting into the 1-9 matrix of command types.
Oops you misread what I wrote. I'm an ex UAL pilot who was hired just before the crash in PDX which caused CLR to be invented. CLR was a UAL copyrighted program mandated by the FAA as a result of two pilots letting an egomaniac pilot run the airplane out of fuel. The UAL course used to take several days and many of us took it at the Cherry Creek Inn.
CRM is the FAA, non-copyrighted name and all US certified airlines must have some approved program in place. TEM is the latest dumbed down version of CRM with nothing about captains and crew members fitting into the 1-9 matrix of command types.
03-12-2014, 08:55 PM
#95
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: 756 left...
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Well I do know a little about how "the CAL side" works as I have a whole 6 weeks under my belt as a 756 FO. So far this is what I've had to listen to:
1) No CAL pilot ever wanted this merger.
2) United was like the Titanic; it kept running into the iceberg over and over.
3) It's all about the W2.
4) You know what junior CAL pilots have learned from all this? It's better to be a SCAB because they have the best careers.
and then there's the other trivia:
1) no one knew about escape routes over Greenland including LCA.
2) cockpit had numerous items worth writing up, but "we don't worry about that small stuff"
3) all flight planning done at the hotel without any FO input
4) crew desk took away a flying id and converted me to IRO for another FOs IOE. That's a grievance, but apparently it is standard operation at CAL and the FOs don't complain.
5) 78 hours min a month for bid range versus 70 on UAL side. For the W2 worshippers that's great but for those of us happy to make our minimum who want to enjoy life at home that's two days lost at work.
6) meals: your specific crew meal doesn't exist and you eat when the FAs finish their service. None of this eating first crap. The pilots are last.
7)Most guys bring their own minitel because minitels aren't always in the cockpit. Apparently they kept getting stolen and now the company has taken to putting a metal collar on the wires and screwing them into the sidewall to keep them from getting stolen but meantime most CAL pilots seem to think it is their responsibility to bring their own minitel.
8) International law prohibits flying ECON over the Atlantic but that's how they do it at CAL. Manage ECON to stay close but not exactly on speed because they told ATC that they agreed ATC could give them the speed but ATC couldn't tell them HOW to fly that speed so using ECON is ok. and of course CAL saves sooooo much gas by playing around with ECON the whole way across instead of just putting in .80. Yeah .80 would be too easy
So far NOT impressed and actually very disappointed that I already ran into Captains that are willing to bring politics into the cockpit. To me not so professional and it will make for a sadly tortuous career based in EWR if they are the "norm". Hopefully I just got unlucky on my first couple flights and things will get better. At least that's what I'm hoping . . .
1) No CAL pilot ever wanted this merger.
2) United was like the Titanic; it kept running into the iceberg over and over.
3) It's all about the W2.
4) You know what junior CAL pilots have learned from all this? It's better to be a SCAB because they have the best careers.
and then there's the other trivia:
1) no one knew about escape routes over Greenland including LCA.
2) cockpit had numerous items worth writing up, but "we don't worry about that small stuff"
3) all flight planning done at the hotel without any FO input
4) crew desk took away a flying id and converted me to IRO for another FOs IOE. That's a grievance, but apparently it is standard operation at CAL and the FOs don't complain.
5) 78 hours min a month for bid range versus 70 on UAL side. For the W2 worshippers that's great but for those of us happy to make our minimum who want to enjoy life at home that's two days lost at work.
6) meals: your specific crew meal doesn't exist and you eat when the FAs finish their service. None of this eating first crap. The pilots are last.
7)Most guys bring their own minitel because minitels aren't always in the cockpit. Apparently they kept getting stolen and now the company has taken to putting a metal collar on the wires and screwing them into the sidewall to keep them from getting stolen but meantime most CAL pilots seem to think it is their responsibility to bring their own minitel.
8) International law prohibits flying ECON over the Atlantic but that's how they do it at CAL. Manage ECON to stay close but not exactly on speed because they told ATC that they agreed ATC could give them the speed but ATC couldn't tell them HOW to fly that speed so using ECON is ok. and of course CAL saves sooooo much gas by playing around with ECON the whole way across instead of just putting in .80. Yeah .80 would be too easy
So far NOT impressed and actually very disappointed that I already ran into Captains that are willing to bring politics into the cockpit. To me not so professional and it will make for a sadly tortuous career based in EWR if they are the "norm". Hopefully I just got unlucky on my first couple flights and things will get better. At least that's what I'm hoping . . .
Maybe you should go back to the 76t wide body base in JFK if it's that bad? I'm so sick of hearing how bad the cal side is and how wonderful LUal was. I wish this merger didn't happen either fwiw
No one I know admires a scab! Junior or senior....
03-12-2014, 09:46 PM
#96
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Position: 777
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Sunvox is not talking about Scabs. He is talking about flying. Yes, it is very different on either side. I don't have any experience on the CO side, he does. Until the CO guys fly with the UA side, you guys really don't have any perspective, nor should you be commenting on the UA side until you do.
Level heads should prevail. He is only stating his personal experience. Not rumor or innuendo. Lies, I think, at worst, is an exaggeration, and at best not true at all. Please refrain from commenting on something you don't have any experience with. Many times, the start to a solution is recognizing there is a problem.
Level heads should prevail. He is only stating his personal experience. Not rumor or innuendo. Lies, I think, at worst, is an exaggeration, and at best not true at all. Please refrain from commenting on something you don't have any experience with. Many times, the start to a solution is recognizing there is a problem.
03-13-2014, 03:09 AM
#97
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: EWR 777 Captain
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Call me. I'll give you the name of the two LCAs I flew with; you can ask the first one yourself if what I quoted him as saying is true. As to the facts:
CAL 764 Fleet doesn't fly ECON on the tracks?
EWR 756 doesn't have a bid range of 78-90 versus 70-90 for EWR 76T or IAD 76T?
The minitels are not screwed in and I wasn't missing a minitel on two of my flights already?
The throttle console wasn't cracked and numerous trim items missing in two of the 764 cockpits.
One captain didn't do all the flight planning at the Milan hotel. I made that up too.
What the heck dude. Why would I lie about bull crap like this. Your unwillingness to engage and to simply start with a totally inflammatory remark screaming I'm a liar is classless and clueless. Put your money where your mouth is and call the LCAs yourself.
For the record I bought the beer on the first flight for the two IROs who were awesome guys, and on my second flight I bought the dinner for the whole crew in Milan to celebrate my first trip off OE. Don't believe me? Call and I'll give you the name of the captain flying when I bought dinner for the crew, but you should call soon as he is retiring in a couple weeks.
Last edited by Sunvox; 03-13-2014 at 03:44 AM.
03-13-2014, 03:27 AM
#98
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Position: EWR 777 Captain
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I had been told this happened before at CAL if not I stand corrected. It is happening now, as was shown by the Council 11 email on this very topic, and unfortunately I was not able to file a Grievance because I got sick over that time period. Darn RAS keeps flaring up when I get stressed and makes it impossible to speak.
Last edited by Sunvox; 03-13-2014 at 03:40 AM.
03-13-2014, 05:06 AM
#99
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Position: EWR 777 Captain
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Sunvox I don't know who you have been flying with, but I've spent over 7 years on the ewr 756 fleet and have flown with some of the most professional men and women of my career!
Maybe you should go back to the 76t wide body base in JFK if it's that bad? I'm so sick of hearing how bad the cal side is and how wonderful LUal was. I wish this merger didn't happen either fwiw
No one I know admires a scab! Junior or senior....
Maybe you should go back to the 76t wide body base in JFK if it's that bad? I'm so sick of hearing how bad the cal side is and how wonderful LUal was. I wish this merger didn't happen either fwiw
No one I know admires a scab! Junior or senior....
I never said ALL CAL pilots are unprofessional. As I said above the IROs I have flown with were "awesome guys". I also very carefully explained that two of the pilots I flew with so far were a) impolite to me and b) not quite as knowledgable as I have come to expect. I went on to say that I realize I may have simply been "unlucky" on a couple of my first trips as I was paired with SCAB captains who clearly did not like the merger as you have so clearly just agreed with in such a nice manner.
So which part of my trivia is not correct? ECON? Minitels? What? Instead of telling me how much you hate UAL why not respond to the individual issues. You know I might have been willing to concede that UAL has it's share of captains that flight plan at the hotel and many new FOs don't know about Greenland Oxygen diversion information. But No. Rather than engage and discuss you're simply gonna tell me I should go back to UAL and leave you alone. Great. Real professional.
03-13-2014, 05:24 AM
#100
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Position: B756 Capt Junior Lineholder
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I flew EWR 756 fo for 13 years and can remember maybe three Capt 's of a certain vintage that at times would attempt to circumvent SOP. All the others were true pros and managed the cockpit in great fashion and adhered to SOP.
Flying the NAT's in ECON mode is 100% legal and the most efficient.
Since day one I had no problem with the FA's feeding revenue BF customers before the cockpit. To put yourself above smells of entitlement.
As a Capt. I too will look at the flight plan in my hotel room before getting on the van, but the official briefing is in the FPA. This allows briefing the FA's early about flt time/turb etc before the pax board. (When we're all on the same van).
I know of several fo's whose seats have been turned into IRO for training and they're all grieving it.
To bombastically claim the incompetence of a whole group of Pilots is a little too much to swallow....
Flying the NAT's in ECON mode is 100% legal and the most efficient.
Since day one I had no problem with the FA's feeding revenue BF customers before the cockpit. To put yourself above smells of entitlement.
As a Capt. I too will look at the flight plan in my hotel room before getting on the van, but the official briefing is in the FPA. This allows briefing the FA's early about flt time/turb etc before the pax board. (When we're all on the same van).
I know of several fo's whose seats have been turned into IRO for training and they're all grieving it.
To bombastically claim the incompetence of a whole group of Pilots is a little too much to swallow....
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