nopac6

Mako and Airhoss are complaining (like a lot of people) that the pickup times are nowhere to be found in CCS and you chime in condescendingly that they're in the content locker "... If we care to look."

When I point out that you're wrong (which you are), you backpedal and respond with:

"I'm simply stating that the intel is there if you look for it.."

Uhhh, NO, not in the content locker which (any 4th grader knows) is what's being discussed here.

Being wrong isn't that big of a deal but being wrong while acting like a dick is. Then acting like an even bigger dick while denying what you just said is even worse.

Keep it coming though, it's funny.

hopeSales

This is very typical from the CAL guys. You say anything about the management or the system and these guys jump to defend them and the system by attacking the UAL types for complaining. The CAL guys need to stop defending a system that never worked.

Yes - UNIMATIC was far more functional than CCS. For you cal types, you need to get over yourself and understand that everything said about management and the old CAL system is not about the cAL pilots. It's about thing that don't work for your NEW GLOBAL AIRLINE.

JoePatroni

I personally think CCS has always sucked, it is nothing more than a cheap interface to an underlying even sh***er system. I don't ever remember having pickup locations published anywhere. If I was a domestic pilot, I would go to the curb (as mentioned in the contract) and wait the allotted time. No transportation, hire a town car. If they want me somewhere else, they can let me know after I expense my ride.

I think this actually led to a memo a long time ago concerning this very thing because some guys got fed up with hunting for the ride du jour. The only thing this place understands is cost and/or delayed flights unfortunately.

sovt

Don't want to jump too deep into this little ****ing contest. But, I've worked for three major airlines and have never had Published van times. Never needed that level of hand holding.

pilot64golfer

Agree here. Going from a decent IT system with all the information being available and transparent, and now a system where its not all there, doesn't work right, and we saw how it melted when more people were added to it. We had Unimatic with 12,000 + pilots and the system worked great and showed all the info.

Why are people so intent on defending this crappy system with phrases like "I don't need hand holding". We should be able to have all the information we need to do our jobs, including getting to and from the layover hotel including where that hotel is and how and when we are getting there. Saying that we don't need it because we can spend time ourselves figuring it is nonsense. That's why the company doesn't fix things. They see pilots doing without and just taking care of the things that the company refuses to do without a complaint, so they will never fix things.

This management is starting to learn now that they can't treat us that way, and the old culture of "Oh well the company is crapping on us so we have to take it" has ended.

Welcome to United.

nopac6

It's not "hand-holding" to want to know what time the f'ing van is gonna pick us up at the hotel.

In Tokyo, the pickup times can vary from between 2:30 before departure to 3:10 before departure. I don't like showing up in the lobby 20 minutes too early any more than I like getting a phone call when I'm in the middle of shaving saying the van driver is wondering where all the pilots are.

How is it hand-holding to want the company to let us know when the pickup time is?

hopeSales

This is a good example of the CAL types protecting something they don't understand. If it's published with the ID then everybody know when to show for the van. Are you guys really that insecure?

oldmako

Nice Tie.

Well, I figured that was coming. First off, its not a ****ing contest. What ever happened to "best practices"? It seems to have been given the shaft.

Many of us have worked for more than one airline as well and UAL was the first place we saw published van times. It's not hand holding, its a better way of doing something. Think if it as SOP. Easy.

As a reserve maggot, there are MANY times when I have no idea who I'm flying with tomorrow, even though I'm dead heading into posn' tonight. He may be at the field layover, yet I am downtown. So I wasn't part of the whole math game and quiz show sequence which preceded the declaration and promulgation of the van departure time.

I used to show up at the curb at the scheduled time as its displayed on my trip pairing. Not someplace I had to dig up in Content Locker, not some arbitrary time which was determined yesterday which I may not have been a part of. Its published on my trip sheet. If I end up late to the plane, its not my fault so the CPO can call someone else to fix it. I'm paid to fly the plane, not to make scheduling and hotel decisions.

If you guys want to think that we're all a bunch of prima donna babies who need hand holding, go ahead.

We used to have one piece of paper which showed exactly what was expected of us for the duration of the trip. It was all there with no guesswork.

For example, meals - there was a list of Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner or Snacks for a given flight. Now, I'm not even sure on which legs I'm entitled to a meal. All the phone info for the duration of the trip, hotels and limos and transportation times. All report times, directions to the pickup spots and times from the hotel. And if you used Crew Companion, door codes for the airport.

It really was a better way of doing things. And it could easily be part of CCS. Kind of like the whole FIFO fiasco which we just scored a major win for. Do it right from the get go and pretend we're a major airline.

nopac6

That sounds like a good system. The only problem I can see is that we very rarely lay over with our F/A's so we probably can't have them handle that stuff as a generic rule.

We have F/A's based in LHR, NRT, HKG and HNL so when we get to our layover city, they just go to their homes. And even if we fly LAX-HNL with some LA F/A's mixed with the HNL's, the LA-based F/A's stay at a different hotel than us in HNL.

What does ISM and FSM stand for?

CRM114

Additionally, FA show times are different than Pilot show times, their schedule is not our schedule.