LAX 747 displacements
12-18-2013, 12:28 PM
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LAX-SYD F/O on the 400 is at the peak of the pyramid for QOL for L-UAL commuters. Many, if not most 400 F/O's are commuters, and have been here for a VERY long time.
Rightful place???? LAX 737 is not even a close second for a commuter, however DEN 737 might attract a few.
The company will be putting out snapshots, so we will soon see.
SP
LAX-SYD F/O on the 400 is at the peak of the pyramid for QOL for L-UAL commuters. Many, if not most 400 F/O's are commuters, and have been here for a VERY long time.
Rightful place???? LAX 737 is not even a close second for a commuter, however DEN 737 might attract a few.
The company will be putting out snapshots, so we will soon see.
SP
12-18-2013, 12:40 PM
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About a 24 hour layover in Sydney, with a 6 hour break enroute each way. Lines are built with 3 trips with the occasional carry-in. 83 hours for 9 days (6 legs) of flying is pretty attractive, which 737 domicile offers that?
12-18-2013, 01:10 PM
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You keep saying that you have played this game before. What you fail to realize is that the game has changed. At old United, bumps were part of an overall reduction in pilots and most recently happened during a period of time with very few retirements. Today, you have bumps taking place at the same time as massive retirements, as well as a time with slight growth in overall staffing.
The playing field has changed dramatically. The company can ill-afford an all out bump-a-thon. Here is my prediction:
20 747 Capt bid wb Capt in either LAX or SFO
3 747 Cap bid Den 756 Capt.
2 bid LAX 737 CA.
747 FO's:
18 bid LAX 737 Capt.
20 bid LAX 777 FO
15 bid SFO 747 FO
7 bid SFO 777 FO
This distribution, coupled with retirements will not necessitate further bumps.
The playing field has changed dramatically. The company can ill-afford an all out bump-a-thon. Here is my prediction:
20 747 Capt bid wb Capt in either LAX or SFO
3 747 Cap bid Den 756 Capt.
2 bid LAX 737 CA.
747 FO's:
18 bid LAX 737 Capt.
20 bid LAX 777 FO
15 bid SFO 747 FO
7 bid SFO 777 FO
This distribution, coupled with retirements will not necessitate further bumps.
The only thing is that we have had bumps for three straight months. And this thread is about bumps as well. So you can't say there aren't any bumps, when that what is happening now.
I'd be at 15% BES on the 787 in either IAH or LAX. I hope it stays that way when the fence drops in 2 years.
12-18-2013, 01:10 PM
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3-day, 2 leg, 28 credit hour trips, 14-15 hour legs means double crew.
About a 24 hour layover in Sydney, with a 6 hour break enroute each way. Lines are built with 3 trips with the occasional carry-in. 83 hours for 9 days (6 legs) of flying is pretty attractive, which 737 domicile offers that?
About a 24 hour layover in Sydney, with a 6 hour break enroute each way. Lines are built with 3 trips with the occasional carry-in. 83 hours for 9 days (6 legs) of flying is pretty attractive, which 737 domicile offers that?
12-18-2013, 01:16 PM
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The only thing is that LAX 777 FO just had a bunch of former SEA guys go there, and now 20 more? This base isn't a huge base. All 25 of these FOs on the 777 would be extra, and there would be a bump from that. Its going to trickle down.
Same with 18 guppy Captains in LAX. and 20 more 777 Captains in LAX or SFO.
12-18-2013, 01:18 PM
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I believe the IRO on the 737 dies with FAR 117 except Guam
12-18-2013, 01:32 PM
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I can't disagree with these numbers. They look reasonable.
The only thing is that LAX 777 FO just had a bunch of former SEA guys go there, and now 20 more? This base isn't a huge base. All 25 of these FOs on the 777 would be extra, and there would be a bump from that. Its going to trickle down.
Same with 18 guppy Captains in LAX. and 20 more 777 Captains in LAX or SFO.
The only thing is that LAX 777 FO just had a bunch of former SEA guys go there, and now 20 more? This base isn't a huge base. All 25 of these FOs on the 777 would be extra, and there would be a bump from that. Its going to trickle down.
Same with 18 guppy Captains in LAX. and 20 more 777 Captains in LAX or SFO.
1. Over staff 777 FO in lax and have some excess pilots fly iro pairing that dh both ends out of base. Not efficient but certainly better than tdy'ing 75 747 pilots.
2. The over staffing in the 737 will not occur if the company runs a vacancy bid and increases the staffing level in lax accordingly. In this scenario, all current 737 capt that are bumped down will not be displaced.
I think both of these scenarios are preferable for the comaony than starting bump-fest.
12-18-2013, 04:03 PM
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This are both true, however the company has a few options, including:
1. Over staff 777 FO in lax and have some excess pilots fly iro pairing that dh both ends out of base. Not efficient but certainly better than tdy'ing 75 747 pilots.
2. The over staffing in the 737 will not occur if the company runs a vacancy bid and increases the staffing level in lax accordingly. In this scenario, all current 737 capt that are bumped down will not be displaced.
I think both of these scenarios are preferable for the comaony than starting bump-fest.
1. Over staff 777 FO in lax and have some excess pilots fly iro pairing that dh both ends out of base. Not efficient but certainly better than tdy'ing 75 747 pilots.
2. The over staffing in the 737 will not occur if the company runs a vacancy bid and increases the staffing level in lax accordingly. In this scenario, all current 737 capt that are bumped down will not be displaced.
I think both of these scenarios are preferable for the comaony than starting bump-fest.
Of course anything can happen. I'd prefer both of these as well to bumps.
12-19-2013, 10:29 AM
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Should be a 4 day. 10PM departure on Monday for example lands you in SYD at 7AM on Weds morning. 32 hour layover. 3PM departure from SYD on Thursday lands back in LAX 9AM Thursday. I personally can not imagine a better trip for QOL. Late report, long layover in an awesome city and early arrival back in base on go home day.
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