Bases and Seats...
03-01-2015, 05:03 PM
#91
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Could you please point to the official source where you got all this information about what "will" be happening to the SFO 76T flying when they combine the 756/76T fleets? You are stating things as fact when there are no facts. And as for the 756/76T combining in 2016, we will see. You should know better than to tell people to plan on the United integration occurring with any semblance of remotely being on-time.
Lastly, before you say "not true" read again. Nothing I said wasn't true. There is no 756 SFO and you can't BAT in. You have to have a bid. And what I SAID was that I'm SPECULATING that the bids for 76T in SFO may be drying up because the fleet is shrinking still. The reason we just had such junior bids to the 76T FO seat in SFO was because they put through 150 Captains on the 737 in SFO. A HUGE number of 76T FO's who were looking to upgrade took the bid. With IAD 737 opening next, I suspect that you'll see the movement off the 76T fleet FO seat slow down dramatically as the fleet continues to shrink in SFO as it has been for the past 8 years.
Lastly, you seem a bit combative. Everyone here is just trying to help new hires make their best decisions possible. The fact that we can't agree on what that is should tell you that the fleet plan is fluid, changing, and almost impossible to forecast.
Lastly, before you say "not true" read again. Nothing I said wasn't true. There is no 756 SFO and you can't BAT in. You have to have a bid. And what I SAID was that I'm SPECULATING that the bids for 76T in SFO may be drying up because the fleet is shrinking still. The reason we just had such junior bids to the 76T FO seat in SFO was because they put through 150 Captains on the 737 in SFO. A HUGE number of 76T FO's who were looking to upgrade took the bid. With IAD 737 opening next, I suspect that you'll see the movement off the 76T fleet FO seat slow down dramatically as the fleet continues to shrink in SFO as it has been for the past 8 years.
Lastly, you seem a bit combative. Everyone here is just trying to help new hires make their best decisions possible. The fact that we can't agree on what that is should tell you that the fleet plan is fluid, changing, and almost impossible to forecast.
Also you missed the other posting where I stated there was no 756 SFO base. I was interrupted in that message, so I didn't see your first post or I would have replied to that directly. Thicken thy skin, sir.
Last edited by fanaticalflyer; 03-01-2015 at 05:05 PM. Reason: left out info
03-01-2015, 09:22 PM
#92
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Bit combative? You came on and 'warned me" about the info i was giving when yours came from another 'senior CAP' and conjecture. The information on the 756/76T fleet combining was put out several months ago, so perhaps you need to read up. I'm not going re-post a link when everyone else seems to know when the schedule is. Perhaps read up in manpower planning on Flying Together. Additionally, the OET classes from just a week ago was reiterating the same info as well as the 13 new crews for LAX that was also put out previously. Now i'll agree, that nothing goes on time, and things are fluid, but that is the latest info being disseminated as of 1 week ago. I'm giving useful info for new-hires. You said you can't get into the 76T, well i gave an example of a very junior person that just did. That 'not true' was in direct response to that.
Also you missed the other posting where I stated there was no 756 SFO base. I was interrupted in that message, so I didn't see your first post or I would have replied to that directly. Thicken thy skin, sir.
Also you missed the other posting where I stated there was no 756 SFO base. I was interrupted in that message, so I didn't see your first post or I would have replied to that directly. Thicken thy skin, sir.
03-01-2015, 09:43 PM
#93
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Wrong again. I never said you couldn't get into 76T SFO. Your reading comprehension sucks, as does your attitude. You're not a new hire are you? Hope not. Bye. Done wasting time with you. Good luck to the new hires here and hopefully there are lots of great opportunities for you all
New hires....don't losten to anything you read here. Just enjoy the arguments. Every single thread always and forevermore digresses to it.
03-01-2015, 10:40 PM
#94
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Bit combative? You came on and 'warned me" about the info i was giving when yours came from another 'senior CAP' and conjecture. The information on the 756/76T fleet combining was put out several months ago, so perhaps you need to read up. I'm not going re-post a link when everyone else seems to know when the schedule is. Perhaps read up in manpower planning on Flying Together. Additionally, the OET classes from just a week ago was reiterating the same info as well as the 13 new crews for LAX that was also put out previously. Now i'll agree, that nothing goes on time, and things are fluid, but that is the latest info being disseminated as of 1 week ago. I'm giving useful info for new-hires. You said you can't get into the 76T, well i gave an example of a very junior person that just did. That 'not true' was in direct response to that.
Also you missed the other posting where I stated there was no 756 SFO base. I was interrupted in that message, so I didn't see your first post or I would have replied to that directly. Thicken thy skin, sir.
Also you missed the other posting where I stated there was no 756 SFO base. I was interrupted in that message, so I didn't see your first post or I would have replied to that directly. Thicken thy skin, sir.
I'm not sure you understand how BAT bids work. You should re-read the BAT bulletins in the staffing page of flying together. Being a 756/76T guy I'd think you would understand them a bit better:/
03-02-2015, 01:49 AM
#95
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Sorry but NO.
You picked the most out of whack fleet comparison between the two bases, 777 FO, which JUST HAPPENED on the last bid, and stand on that to represent the entire bases. That one bid move the needle about 2,000 seniority numbers. LAX gets a new 77 route and the needle moves there too.
These were new hires asking about getting into LAX or SFO on 3 fleets, 737, 320, 756. None of them are trying to get 777 FO on the west coast. They just want to know where to go initially on those fleets where the bottom guys are all relatively the same seniority.
You picked the most out of whack fleet comparison between the two bases, 777 FO, which JUST HAPPENED on the last bid, and stand on that to represent the entire bases. That one bid move the needle about 2,000 seniority numbers. LAX gets a new 77 route and the needle moves there too.
These were new hires asking about getting into LAX or SFO on 3 fleets, 737, 320, 756. None of them are trying to get 777 FO on the west coast. They just want to know where to go initially on those fleets where the bottom guys are all relatively the same seniority.
03-02-2015, 07:41 AM
#96
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It is helpful to see both of you discuss certain aspects of new hires getting out West.
As a likely junior guy when my class starts on 3/17 I am betting 756 will be the only fleet available. As I want to get to SFO/LAX ASAP, am I able to BAT over to the 76T in SFO if there is a vacancy within the next few months or will I need to wait until a spot on the 756 opens up? Very unfamiliar with the BAT process besides knowing it allows one to transition between the 756 and 76T. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
As a likely junior guy when my class starts on 3/17 I am betting 756 will be the only fleet available. As I want to get to SFO/LAX ASAP, am I able to BAT over to the 76T in SFO if there is a vacancy within the next few months or will I need to wait until a spot on the 756 opens up? Very unfamiliar with the BAT process besides knowing it allows one to transition between the 756 and 76T. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Sounds like there might be a small bit of growth for the LAX 756 as they transition to a single fleet, but there has been no mention in SFO of any growth on the 76T or an introduction of 756 flying there- and I attended SFO OET so I can assure you it wasn't mentioned there either officially or unofficially. I've been trying to get back to the left seat of the 76T in SFO since I got bumped off it in 2009, so I've been watching for any growth. None to report, and none even hinted at. Supposed to combine the 756 and 76T summer 2016 or so, but UAL is notorious for missing planned dates. The good news is it's the best airplane I've ever flown so you will LOVE it. Hope that helps a bit. PM me if you want more thoughts, just keep in mind ALL this just best guess and speculation. The plan changes CONSTANTLY
03-02-2015, 07:57 AM
#97
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If you want to retire with any money just remember these things;
1. Keep the first spouse.
2. Keep the second house
3. If it promises more than 10% ROI it's a scam run away. (Optioneer anybody?)
4. Never take financial or career advice from a pilot!
(With that in mind please feel free to disregard the above message.)
03-02-2015, 08:32 AM
#98
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Get used to it my friend. You'll find that some of our senior guys are full of "good" information and career advice. And they are NOT shy about sharing their "good" advice either.
If you want to retire with any money just remember these things;
1. Keep the first spouse.
2. Keep the second house
3. If it promises more than 10% ROI it's a scam run away. (Optioneer anybody?)
4. Never take financial or career advice from a pilot!
(With that in mind please feel free to disregard the above message.)
If you want to retire with any money just remember these things;
1. Keep the first spouse.
2. Keep the second house
3. If it promises more than 10% ROI it's a scam run away. (Optioneer anybody?)
4. Never take financial or career advice from a pilot!
(With that in mind please feel free to disregard the above message.)
Maximize your 401K deduction on day one of year two pay. Invest in US stocks and stock funds. Between your cash and the company kicker, you'll easily retire with enough money to last the rest of your days. Especially if you're in your thirties. As Mick said, time is on my (your) side.
I can't tell you how many times Captains have opined on how full of shinola I was on this issue or that, when they were dead wrong. Keep your BS gain set to high and get your info from numerous sources.
Q. Wha't the difference between a pilots first wife and his second?
A. The first has real diamonds and fake orgasms.
03-02-2015, 10:28 AM
#100
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