Rumor: 76T to remain separate fleet.
10-05-2013, 06:40 AM
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Rumor: 76T to remain separate fleet.
Just had a line check and the standards captain said the 76T fleet will remain a separate fleet forever until it is completely replaced by the 787 but over the coming years the the PS 757s and the 2 class 767s will be moved out of the 76T fleet and into the 756 fleet. The 76T fleet will rapidly retire it's 757s and then ultimately retire its 767 three class fleet but pilots in the 76T fleet will not merge with 756 pilots and will never fly the 767-400.
If true this might change things for some people. I have put a question into Rumor Central to see if this is true.
If true this might change things for some people. I have put a question into Rumor Central to see if this is true.
10-05-2013, 06:49 AM
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From a training and proficiency standpoint, it makes sense. If every one could fly all flavors of 767 and 757, aren't there 6 or 7 different fleets?
That's WAY too much Differences Training for me to keep track of. It makes me wonder if the POI thought the same thing, from a safety standpoint.
As an example (as I understand it), SWA flies 300s through 900s because all of their airplanes are more or less configured "300-esque."
That's WAY too much Differences Training for me to keep track of. It makes me wonder if the POI thought the same thing, from a safety standpoint.
As an example (as I understand it), SWA flies 300s through 900s because all of their airplanes are more or less configured "300-esque."
10-05-2013, 07:15 AM
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From a training and proficiency standpoint, it makes sense. If every one could fly all flavors of 767 and 757, aren't there 6 or 7 different fleets?
That's WAY too much Differences Training for me to keep track of. It makes me wonder if the POI thought the same thing, from a safety standpoint.
As an example (as I understand it), SWA flies 300s through 900s because all of their airplanes are more or less configured "300-esque."
That's WAY too much Differences Training for me to keep track of. It makes me wonder if the POI thought the same thing, from a safety standpoint.
As an example (as I understand it), SWA flies 300s through 900s because all of their airplanes are more or less configured "300-esque."
SWA doesn't have any 900s. Just 7/800NGs and classics. Not sure how it will workout with us but pre-merger, S-Cal flew and was qualified on every variant of the 737( 300/500/700/800/900/and 900ER)...way too much in my view. If the rumor is true, I too suspect cost and differences along with scheduled retirements timing is there rationale.
10-05-2013, 07:26 AM
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Nothing like beautiful avionics combined with an out of date overhead panel. Great job Boeing.
10-05-2013, 08:26 AM
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I can't figure out why IAH76T is showing such a split in MIN/MAX 
All the flying is on the 767 and MIN/MAX were pretty much equal on last bid (SFO 737 vacancies). In fact, a CAP secondary was awarded into IAH on the last bid. And now they're fat by 11 Cap and 22 FOs? Any thoughts?
All the flying is on the 767 and MIN/MAX were pretty much equal on last bid (SFO 737 vacancies). In fact, a CAP secondary was awarded into IAH on the last bid. And now they're fat by 11 Cap and 22 FOs? Any thoughts?
10-05-2013, 09:40 AM
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I can't figure out why IAH76T is showing such a split in MIN/MAX All the flying is on the 767 and MIN/MAX were pretty much equal on last bid (SFO 737 vacancies). In fact, a CAP secondary was awarded into IAH on the last bid. And now they're fat by 11 Cap and 22 FOs? Any thoughts?
All the flying is on the 767 and MIN/MAX were pretty much equal on last bid (SFO 737 vacancies). In fact, a CAP secondary was awarded into IAH on the last bid. And now they're fat by 11 Cap and 22 FOs? Any thoughts?
10-05-2013, 06:43 PM
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SSC Report
Mixed Metal issues on the L-UAL and L-CAL 777 and 757/767
Even after ISL, the company has issues with the ability for L-UAL and L-CAL crews flying each
Even after ISL, the company has issues with the ability for L-UAL and L-CAL crews flying each
other’s
legacy aircraft. (This does beg the question what have they been doing for 3 years?!)
The airframe and pilot qualification issues are:
The airframe and pilot qualification issues are:
CAL aircraft need ACARS software and hardware to allow moving to a common
dispatch system (SABRE)
dispatch system (SABRE)
Common Maintenance program: CAL still using aluminum log books and needs to be
made common with electronic log books
made common with electronic log books
777 minor system and training Issues
767 major system differences requiring hardware, software, panel changes and more
complex training issues (including specific 767-400 training issues)
LAX. Post ISL ALL pilots can bid on any position in ALL categories.
complex training issues (including specific 767-400 training issues)
777 Sabre for CAL 4th Q, 2013; electronic logbook planned 1st Q, 2014
767 Sabre for CAL planned 1st Q, 2014; targeting end of 2014 for electronic logbook planned
Current grouping of aircraft is what is approved by the FAA so for the company to make changes
toward mixing any equipment from one to the other will require approval.
So, current categories will only be able to fly the aircraft in those established groupings (756/767)
This also involves, for now, maintaining separate 756/767 bases in NYC, IAH and (in the future)
767 Sabre for CAL planned 1st Q, 2014; targeting end of 2014 for electronic logbook planned
Current grouping of aircraft is what is approved by the FAA so for the company to make changes
toward mixing any equipment from one to the other will require approval.
So, current categories will only be able to fly the aircraft in those established groupings (756/767)
This also involves, for now, maintaining separate 756/767 bases in NYC, IAH and (in the future)
LAX. Post ISL ALL pilots can bid on any position in ALL categories.
10-05-2013, 09:22 PM
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If they plan on keeping these two fleets separate, then won't they need to keep the blended rate separate? CAL 757 vs UAL 76T?
Right now I'm pretty sure the blended rate for 757/767 includes both CAL and UAL aircraft.
Once they start parking the UAL 757s, those in the 76T should benefit from a higher blended rate since it will have a higher percentage of 767s, but as it stands, those bases will be watered down if they still include all CALs 757s.
Once the UAL 757s start to disappear, the 76T bases will basically become almost 767 only bases won't they?
Right now I'm pretty sure the blended rate for 757/767 includes both CAL and UAL aircraft.
Once they start parking the UAL 757s, those in the 76T should benefit from a higher blended rate since it will have a higher percentage of 767s, but as it stands, those bases will be watered down if they still include all CALs 757s.
Once the UAL 757s start to disappear, the 76T bases will basically become almost 767 only bases won't they?
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