8-Ball Ceremony in DEN tonight!
10-07-2013, 06:48 AM
#101
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
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Nah, I don't associate with anything flying when I leave work. I could give it up tomorrow and not look back. Sitting around telling "there I was" stories in a sausage fest crowd sounds about as exciting as root canal work
10-07-2013, 06:53 AM
#102
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It wasn't even close. UAL had 9 consecutive profitable quarters before the merger. CAL had 2.
Also, the SLI arbitrators didn't agree with you, nor did 100% of the Wall Street analysts.
Airlines going into liquidation don't buy other airlines.
Also, the SLI arbitrators didn't agree with you, nor did 100% of the Wall Street analysts.
Airlines going into liquidation don't buy other airlines.
10-07-2013, 06:58 AM
#103
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This "stud" guy might want to pay attention to the EAP briefing during indoc. I accept this guys apology but I have to say this "coddle and feel sorry for me I had to fly RJ's" attitude does not cut the mustard for me. These guys have no idea what it was like pre RJ. Many never saw our first operational auto pilot, reliable de ice, FMC, radar, ETC ETC prior to getting hired by the majors. And we did it all for far less money and no work rules. So spare me the po boy BS please!
10-07-2013, 08:33 AM
#104
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10-07-2013, 08:34 AM
#105
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This "stud" guy might want to pay attention to the EAP briefing during indoc. I accept this guys apology but I have to say this "coddle and feel sorry for me I had to fly RJ's" attitude does not cut the mustard for me. These guys have no idea what it was like pre RJ. Many never saw our first operational auto pilot, reliable de ice, FMC, radar, ETC ETC prior to getting hired by the majors. And we did it all for far less money and no work rules. So spare me the po boy BS please!
10-07-2013, 09:08 AM
#106
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So,
Let's see if I understand this.
Blown fuel hedges, stock dividends in the hundreds of millions, shares, dot com bust, economic recession, low morale, closing equipment bases only to reopen 6 mos later, mismanagement, etc etc, the airline will be just fine. If the pilots report for work and safely fly from A to B but don't load bags, serve drinks, make gate PAs, grip and grin in the cabin, wear those silly hats, then somehow the airline is going to liquidate?
Let's see if I understand this.
Blown fuel hedges, stock dividends in the hundreds of millions, shares, dot com bust, economic recession, low morale, closing equipment bases only to reopen 6 mos later, mismanagement, etc etc, the airline will be just fine. If the pilots report for work and safely fly from A to B but don't load bags, serve drinks, make gate PAs, grip and grin in the cabin, wear those silly hats, then somehow the airline is going to liquidate?
10-07-2013, 09:33 AM
#107
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So,
Let's see if I understand this.
Blown fuel hedges, stock dividends in the hundreds of millions, shares, dot com bust, economic recession, low morale, closing equipment bases only to reopen 6 mos later, mismanagement, etc etc, the airline will be just fine. If the pilots report for work and safely fly from A to B but don't load bags, serve drinks, make gate PAs, grip and grin in the cabin, wear those silly hats, then somehow the airline is going to liquidate?
Let's see if I understand this.
Blown fuel hedges, stock dividends in the hundreds of millions, shares, dot com bust, economic recession, low morale, closing equipment bases only to reopen 6 mos later, mismanagement, etc etc, the airline will be just fine. If the pilots report for work and safely fly from A to B but don't load bags, serve drinks, make gate PAs, grip and grin in the cabin, wear those silly hats, then somehow the airline is going to liquidate?
LOL
10-07-2013, 09:34 AM
#108
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10-07-2013, 01:06 PM
#110
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You really have no sense of reality.
Below is reality excerpt from one of those customers you're trying to win over.
Good Luck. I don't think you could do anything to change his mind as he has LIVED the reality, that of which you do not know...or refuse to accept.
"But I must admit, the United experience of those years was leaps and bounds better than it is today.
Newark Liberty International is my home airport. In the last 20 or so years it went from “New York’s best kept secret” to…well…just a freaking mess if you want me to be honest. It is the home of the surliest agents, the worst clubs, the longest lines, the most delays – basically, if you can think of something bad about flying then we have it here at EWR. A large part of the terrible experience was due to Continental Airlines.
In his book, “From Worst to First”, their former CEO, Gordon Bethune detailed how bad the place was and how he turned it around into a great airline to work at and fly on. What his book didn’t go into is what happened after it was published – Continental (and Mr. Bethune) got a swelled-head. They started believing all the hype about how great they were, and that conceit – deemed ‘Contin-attitude’ by many frequent flyers at the time – meant that they could do no wrong in their own eyes. Any customers who felt otherwise just had to be wrong because “just look at all the awards we won…” Continental began using a kind of creative doublespeak that its elite flyers learned to recognize. If Continental announced it was making an “enhancement” that meant that some feature or benefit that its passengers enjoyed was being taken away. If they said “we’ve listened to our customers” that meant that they had imposed an unpopular change that no customer would ever want. If they said they “improved” something that meant it was definitely getting worse. And if they guaranteed that they would not make any changes you could rest assured that something would be changing very soon.
Many of us “Newark hub captives” were forced into a choice between direct flights on Continental (along with putting-up with the doublespeak and takeaways) or having to make connections on other airlines. Personally, I chose the connections. I became a United Airlines 1K. Wow, what a difference – and in every conceivable way. If something caused my first flight of a day to be late I was rerouted on a new connection before I even landed. If something caused me to miss the last flight of the day they’d be arranging an overnight hotel for me without having to ask. If I was afraid I might miss a flight I could ask to “be protected” on a later one – have it added to my itinerary – with a confirmed seat – at no extra charge – just in case I needed it. Granted, no large group of people are all the same – there are always bad apples and the old United had their share– but by-in-large their front-line people tried their darnedest to do the right thing for the passenger no matter what the circumstance. They knew that keeping their best customers happy was the way to keep them coming back. I believed those skies really were friendly.
Then, a couple of years ago, the bottom fell out with the merger of United and Continental. “Merger” of course being one of those terms spoken in that now infamous Continental doublespeak."
Below is reality excerpt from one of those customers you're trying to win over.
Good Luck. I don't think you could do anything to change his mind as he has LIVED the reality, that of which you do not know...or refuse to accept.
"But I must admit, the United experience of those years was leaps and bounds better than it is today.
Newark Liberty International is my home airport. In the last 20 or so years it went from “New York’s best kept secret” to…well…just a freaking mess if you want me to be honest. It is the home of the surliest agents, the worst clubs, the longest lines, the most delays – basically, if you can think of something bad about flying then we have it here at EWR. A large part of the terrible experience was due to Continental Airlines.
In his book, “From Worst to First”, their former CEO, Gordon Bethune detailed how bad the place was and how he turned it around into a great airline to work at and fly on. What his book didn’t go into is what happened after it was published – Continental (and Mr. Bethune) got a swelled-head. They started believing all the hype about how great they were, and that conceit – deemed ‘Contin-attitude’ by many frequent flyers at the time – meant that they could do no wrong in their own eyes. Any customers who felt otherwise just had to be wrong because “just look at all the awards we won…” Continental began using a kind of creative doublespeak that its elite flyers learned to recognize. If Continental announced it was making an “enhancement” that meant that some feature or benefit that its passengers enjoyed was being taken away. If they said “we’ve listened to our customers” that meant that they had imposed an unpopular change that no customer would ever want. If they said they “improved” something that meant it was definitely getting worse. And if they guaranteed that they would not make any changes you could rest assured that something would be changing very soon.
Many of us “Newark hub captives” were forced into a choice between direct flights on Continental (along with putting-up with the doublespeak and takeaways) or having to make connections on other airlines. Personally, I chose the connections. I became a United Airlines 1K. Wow, what a difference – and in every conceivable way. If something caused my first flight of a day to be late I was rerouted on a new connection before I even landed. If something caused me to miss the last flight of the day they’d be arranging an overnight hotel for me without having to ask. If I was afraid I might miss a flight I could ask to “be protected” on a later one – have it added to my itinerary – with a confirmed seat – at no extra charge – just in case I needed it. Granted, no large group of people are all the same – there are always bad apples and the old United had their share– but by-in-large their front-line people tried their darnedest to do the right thing for the passenger no matter what the circumstance. They knew that keeping their best customers happy was the way to keep them coming back. I believed those skies really were friendly.
Then, a couple of years ago, the bottom fell out with the merger of United and Continental. “Merger” of course being one of those terms spoken in that now infamous Continental doublespeak."
This article was written by David Danto and contains solely his own, personal opinions.
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