Unrestricted ATP?
10-01-2013, 12:22 PM
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Unrestricted ATP?
I got an email from Airlineapps.com about needing to update my app with an Unrestricted ATP?
Can anyone shed some light of what an unrestricted ATP is and do I have to get a new ticket to reflect Unrestricted?
Can anyone shed some light of what an unrestricted ATP is and do I have to get a new ticket to reflect Unrestricted?
10-01-2013, 01:06 PM
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10-01-2013, 02:41 PM
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Hey everyone!
Weren't the previous requirements listed as "must hold a Commercial Pilots License with 1500 Total time and ATP written." I would have assumed that the reason for this was that they would be able to issue you the ATP during your check ride.
But now I believe they want you to go get the ATP on your own, and then apply. Meaning they wont issue the unrestricted ATP with your check ride even if you meet all the requirements for the unrestricted ATP when you interview and get hired.
Correct me if I am wrong please. Thanks!
Weren't the previous requirements listed as "must hold a Commercial Pilots License with 1500 Total time and ATP written." I would have assumed that the reason for this was that they would be able to issue you the ATP during your check ride.
But now I believe they want you to go get the ATP on your own, and then apply. Meaning they wont issue the unrestricted ATP with your check ride even if you meet all the requirements for the unrestricted ATP when you interview and get hired.
Correct me if I am wrong please. Thanks!
10-01-2013, 02:54 PM
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Dear XXXXXXX XXXXX:
This message follows a recent message from United Airlines with respect to new minimum
requirements.
At United's request, this message was sent to all United applicants to announce the requirement
to possess an ATP certificate. The message does not imply nor indicate review of your
application. It is simply an announcement.
If you currently hold an unrestricted ATP certificate and it is entered in Airline Apps, you can
choose to disregard the message. The sentence asking you to "insure" your ATP certificate is
entered is simply a reminder to verify and update; if necessary.
Kind Regards,
XXXXXXXXXX
President
Airline Apps, Inc.
This message follows a recent message from United Airlines with respect to new minimum
requirements.
At United's request, this message was sent to all United applicants to announce the requirement
to possess an ATP certificate. The message does not imply nor indicate review of your
application. It is simply an announcement.
If you currently hold an unrestricted ATP certificate and it is entered in Airline Apps, you can
choose to disregard the message. The sentence asking you to "insure" your ATP certificate is
entered is simply a reminder to verify and update; if necessary.
Kind Regards,
XXXXXXXXXX
President
Airline Apps, Inc.
10-01-2013, 04:40 PM
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A "restricted" ATP would be one that a relatively junior Regional FO would be holding right now who had less than a full 1500 hours or was not yet 23 by Aug 1 of this year.
I don't know what it looks like, I just know I don't have one. My guess is if you have an ATP and are confused by the terms "restricted/unrestricted", yours is unrestricted.
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I don't know what it looks like, I just know I don't have one. My guess is if you have an ATP and are confused by the terms "restricted/unrestricted", yours is unrestricted.
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10-24-2014, 10:08 AM
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From AvWeb by Jason Baird
"Based on my data sources, since August 1, 2014, we have not administered a single ATP knowledge test that would allow a pilot to then go on to take the ATP multi-engine practical test and become ATP qualified for service in an airline. Yup. None. For two whole months and I expect this trend to continue for a third month.
This is a significant change from historic numbers when we typically saw an average of over 500 knowledge tests given per month (between 2002 and 2013). Why is this important? Because it is not possible to become an ATP pilot without first taking the knowledge test. If we aren't making new ATP pilots, well, then we simply aren't making any more pilots capable of being employed to fly airliners.
Our ATP knowledge test process has come to a grinding halt and we are going backwards every month. Somewhere between 500 and 700 qualified candidates who would previously have entered into the potential employment pool for the airlines aren't doing that now. I'm not going to get into discussion of pilot shortages in this blog. That's is a long topic with highly polarized and politically motivated positions on either side. This is just simple math. We can't and aren't making ATP-qualified pilots. I know that more providers are in the process of approval with the FAA, but even a couple more isn't going to be enough.
To get this pipeline going again we need to get the FAA to expedite the approval process of those who have submitted applications for ATP CTP training programs, we need to get more providers into the process of developing programs, and we need to coordinate these efforts with training providers who can get their pilot training students into them, through them, and on to successfully taking ATP tests again. If we don't, the halt in our training process is going to hit us hard in the upcoming years."
This is a significant change from historic numbers when we typically saw an average of over 500 knowledge tests given per month (between 2002 and 2013). Why is this important? Because it is not possible to become an ATP pilot without first taking the knowledge test. If we aren't making new ATP pilots, well, then we simply aren't making any more pilots capable of being employed to fly airliners.
Our ATP knowledge test process has come to a grinding halt and we are going backwards every month. Somewhere between 500 and 700 qualified candidates who would previously have entered into the potential employment pool for the airlines aren't doing that now. I'm not going to get into discussion of pilot shortages in this blog. That's is a long topic with highly polarized and politically motivated positions on either side. This is just simple math. We can't and aren't making ATP-qualified pilots. I know that more providers are in the process of approval with the FAA, but even a couple more isn't going to be enough.
To get this pipeline going again we need to get the FAA to expedite the approval process of those who have submitted applications for ATP CTP training programs, we need to get more providers into the process of developing programs, and we need to coordinate these efforts with training providers who can get their pilot training students into them, through them, and on to successfully taking ATP tests again. If we don't, the halt in our training process is going to hit us hard in the upcoming years."
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