Oct. Staffing
09-10-2013, 08:26 AM
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Oct. Staffing
The Oct. staffing is posted on CCS. The most junior pilot has a company seniority #12571.
So you can determine your new % based on that number. This number does not include pilots in training right now and I believe it does not include furloughed pilots that have not taken jobs at CAL or recalled to UAL.
I'm not sure if the LUAL guys can pull up these staffing numbers, so wanted to pass it along to show how many people have been hired that were not on the SLI award.
So you can determine your new % based on that number. This number does not include pilots in training right now and I believe it does not include furloughed pilots that have not taken jobs at CAL or recalled to UAL.
I'm not sure if the LUAL guys can pull up these staffing numbers, so wanted to pass it along to show how many people have been hired that were not on the SLI award.
09-10-2013, 08:36 AM
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The Oct. staffing is posted on CCS. The most junior pilot has a company seniority #12571.
So you can determine your new % based on that number. This number does not include pilots in training right now and I believe it does not include furloughed pilots that have not taken jobs at CAL or recalled to UAL.
I'm not sure if the LUAL guys can pull up these staffing numbers, so wanted to pass it along to show how many people have been hired that were not on the SLI award.
So you can determine your new % based on that number. This number does not include pilots in training right now and I believe it does not include furloughed pilots that have not taken jobs at CAL or recalled to UAL.
I'm not sure if the LUAL guys can pull up these staffing numbers, so wanted to pass it along to show how many people have been hired that were not on the SLI award.
09-10-2013, 08:45 AM
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It is a little hard to read the list because it only has LCAL pilots on it. So the person 1 number ahead of you might really be 5 or more company numbers in front of you. So the furloughed pilots my be listed on the LUAL staffing list, which I can't pull up.
09-10-2013, 09:50 AM
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I think the numbers are wrong in CCS. I don't think we have hired that many people either. And I just noticed the same thing about some people having a lower number than the award.
Hard to believe the company would mess up loading the seniority list into the computer.
Hard to believe the company would mess up loading the seniority list into the computer.
09-10-2013, 11:18 AM
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Okay I have a question for some expert out there.
I have been at UAL for over 35 years and during that time seniority meant everything. Bidding monthly, vacations, equipment, the type of trips, pass travel and more. When I bid for my monthly schedule I know I am x out of x pilots and there are a fixed number of flying lines and reserve lines. PBS has changed some of how we bid compared the old days when they published the actual lines of monthly flying (trips and reserve), but basically what number one is amongst their peers is what counts.
Now my question: I read from the ex-CAL pilots they talk over and over again about percentages, "I'm 65% on the Captain list in EWR," and similar. Why all this talk about percentages instead of real actual numbers? If I am number 50 out of 100 and there are 60 lines of flying, guess what? I get a flying line if I want one instead of reserve. And if I am number 100 out of 100, well I don't have any choice in piloting life at all. Seems a lot simpler than saying, "I'm 50% of the bid in EWR" which doesn't tell me much about the chances of what type of flying I might get.
So why the percentages? It seems a bit strange to me. BTW I'm not talking here about the ISL and the finale results, just all this percentage talk over the past couple of years of this merger process.
I have been at UAL for over 35 years and during that time seniority meant everything. Bidding monthly, vacations, equipment, the type of trips, pass travel and more. When I bid for my monthly schedule I know I am x out of x pilots and there are a fixed number of flying lines and reserve lines. PBS has changed some of how we bid compared the old days when they published the actual lines of monthly flying (trips and reserve), but basically what number one is amongst their peers is what counts.
Now my question: I read from the ex-CAL pilots they talk over and over again about percentages, "I'm 65% on the Captain list in EWR," and similar. Why all this talk about percentages instead of real actual numbers? If I am number 50 out of 100 and there are 60 lines of flying, guess what? I get a flying line if I want one instead of reserve. And if I am number 100 out of 100, well I don't have any choice in piloting life at all. Seems a lot simpler than saying, "I'm 50% of the bid in EWR" which doesn't tell me much about the chances of what type of flying I might get.
So why the percentages? It seems a bit strange to me. BTW I'm not talking here about the ISL and the finale results, just all this percentage talk over the past couple of years of this merger process.
09-10-2013, 11:59 AM
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Why do United pilots say "six seven" instead of "seven six"? Probably just the way it got started and it stayed that way. Saying "I'm at 50%" has more comparable meaning across equipment than "I'm two hundred and fifty nine out of four hundred and seventy seven."
09-10-2013, 12:03 PM
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Okay I have a question for some expert out there.
I have been at UAL for over 35 years and during that time seniority meant everything. Bidding monthly, vacations, equipment, the type of trips, pass travel and more. When I bid for my monthly schedule I know I am x out of x pilots and there are a fixed number of flying lines and reserve lines. PBS has changed some of how we bid compared the old days when they published the actual lines of monthly flying (trips and reserve), but basically what number one is amongst their peers is what counts.
Now my question: I read from the ex-CAL pilots they talk over and over again about percentages, "I'm 65% on the Captain list in EWR," and similar. Why all this talk about percentages instead of real actual numbers? If I am number 50 out of 100 and there are 60 lines of flying, guess what? I get a flying line if I want one instead of reserve. And if I am number 100 out of 100, well I don't have any choice in piloting life at all. Seems a lot simpler than saying, "I'm 50% of the bid in EWR" which doesn't tell me much about the chances of what type of flying I might get.
So why the percentages? It seems a bit strange to me. BTW I'm not talking here about the ISL and the finale results, just all this percentage talk over the past couple of years of this merger process.
I have been at UAL for over 35 years and during that time seniority meant everything. Bidding monthly, vacations, equipment, the type of trips, pass travel and more. When I bid for my monthly schedule I know I am x out of x pilots and there are a fixed number of flying lines and reserve lines. PBS has changed some of how we bid compared the old days when they published the actual lines of monthly flying (trips and reserve), but basically what number one is amongst their peers is what counts.
Now my question: I read from the ex-CAL pilots they talk over and over again about percentages, "I'm 65% on the Captain list in EWR," and similar. Why all this talk about percentages instead of real actual numbers? If I am number 50 out of 100 and there are 60 lines of flying, guess what? I get a flying line if I want one instead of reserve. And if I am number 100 out of 100, well I don't have any choice in piloting life at all. Seems a lot simpler than saying, "I'm 50% of the bid in EWR" which doesn't tell me much about the chances of what type of flying I might get.
So why the percentages? It seems a bit strange to me. BTW I'm not talking here about the ISL and the finale results, just all this percentage talk over the past couple of years of this merger process.
"I can't believe I'm working Christmas, I'm bidding 18% in base."
"How come I didn't get FRA, guys junior at 68% have them all month."
"Overall system constraints? Denial Mode 4? I should be able to get at least one Thursday off at 46%, right?"
My personal favorite...."Sorry you went into Denial Mode, the reason the junior pilot was awarded that FCO trip was because it was required to make the bidding solution work. If we were to award your requested trip at 20%, the pilot at 70% would not have been able to get a legal line. PBS Grievance Denied!"
09-10-2013, 12:35 PM
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Can anybody on the CAL side give an update on just how many pilots are in each category at each domicile. Here is a copy of the most recent data I could find on the UA staffing. This shows only the active pilots assigned to domiciles. So, no Instructors, Management, SL or LOA people included.
Equip Pos ORD LAX SFO
400 CAP 14 - 18 - 145
400 F/O 38 - 47 - 307
Equip Pos DCA ORD LAX SFO SEA
777 CAP 161 - 94 - 42 - 78 - 16
777 F/O 308 - 246- 82 - 113- 22
Equip Pos--- JFK DCA ORD IAH DEN LAX SFO SEA
757/67 CAP 69- 149 177 39 - 119 106- 87- 22
757/67 F/O 106 185 218 88 - 112 97 - 92- 21
Equip Pos---- JFK DCA ORD IAH DEN LAX SFO
319/320 CAP 46- 159- 230 48 237 109 116
319/320 F/O 40- 168- 244 54 253 117 121
The dashes don't mean anything they were just the only way I could figure out how to get things to at least somewhat line up in columns.
If anyone can provide insight as to how many pilots are at each of the domiciles in each of the seats on the CAL side, it would be greatly appreciated. I figure this coupled with the jr man numbers that came out a couple of days ago, should give a slightly better picture of where you really stand.
Equip Pos ORD LAX SFO
400 CAP 14 - 18 - 145
400 F/O 38 - 47 - 307
Equip Pos DCA ORD LAX SFO SEA
777 CAP 161 - 94 - 42 - 78 - 16
777 F/O 308 - 246- 82 - 113- 22
Equip Pos--- JFK DCA ORD IAH DEN LAX SFO SEA
757/67 CAP 69- 149 177 39 - 119 106- 87- 22
757/67 F/O 106 185 218 88 - 112 97 - 92- 21
Equip Pos---- JFK DCA ORD IAH DEN LAX SFO
319/320 CAP 46- 159- 230 48 237 109 116
319/320 F/O 40- 168- 244 54 253 117 121
The dashes don't mean anything they were just the only way I could figure out how to get things to at least somewhat line up in columns.
If anyone can provide insight as to how many pilots are at each of the domiciles in each of the seats on the CAL side, it would be greatly appreciated. I figure this coupled with the jr man numbers that came out a couple of days ago, should give a slightly better picture of where you really stand.
Last edited by GoCats67; 09-10-2013 at 12:56 PM. Reason: table formatting
09-10-2013, 12:57 PM
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For the percentages, is there a filter in your PBS that allows you to bid schedules based on a percentage? I've heard something about conditional bidding based on %, but I can't remember what it was. PBS? Equipment bidding?
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