So long..........
09-05-2013, 10:06 AM
#32
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: A320 Driver
Posts: 74
Correction-UAL furloughees hired before April 2000 were integrated with active pilots. As a June 2000 hire, I was stapled below all active pilots, but still offered up as furlough fodder over the LCAL furloughees with whom I was integrated.
09-05-2013, 12:37 PM
#33
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: 777 Cap
Posts: 199
Fraternal Brothers,
Through no fault of our own, we've been sidelined for over 10 years. All that time we've been tuning in and following along; the Forgotten, steaming up the windows from the outside looking in, full of what has turned out to be false hope and misplaced surety, confident that our Union of Bretheren were keepin' a weather eye out for us.
Now the decision has been made and we've been left disenfranchised; The Lost Boys of 2000-2001. The ones you neglected to remember when you smashed together these lists and stapled us behind the class of 2008.
It's alright; It's okay. We understand, and, most importantly (to you) it won't affect you and yours in any way.
The lads we'll take it out on is the lads behind us. No chance we'll be giving them any consideration or quarter; Why would we. We weren't given any. When the time comes....and it'll come, don't worry; we'll make selfish, me first decisions based on our own needs with no thought to what our juniors should get or deserve, same as you did. Well Done.
So here's to Fraternity; the lie of the Union; All for One and One for Number One.
See you in hell, Laddies,
The Disenfranchised
p.s. Despite all the setbacks, I'm young enough and healthy enough that I'll spit on all yer graves anyways, ya bastards.
Through no fault of our own, we've been sidelined for over 10 years. All that time we've been tuning in and following along; the Forgotten, steaming up the windows from the outside looking in, full of what has turned out to be false hope and misplaced surety, confident that our Union of Bretheren were keepin' a weather eye out for us.
Now the decision has been made and we've been left disenfranchised; The Lost Boys of 2000-2001. The ones you neglected to remember when you smashed together these lists and stapled us behind the class of 2008.
It's alright; It's okay. We understand, and, most importantly (to you) it won't affect you and yours in any way.
The lads we'll take it out on is the lads behind us. No chance we'll be giving them any consideration or quarter; Why would we. We weren't given any. When the time comes....and it'll come, don't worry; we'll make selfish, me first decisions based on our own needs with no thought to what our juniors should get or deserve, same as you did. Well Done.
So here's to Fraternity; the lie of the Union; All for One and One for Number One.
See you in hell, Laddies,
The Disenfranchised
p.s. Despite all the setbacks, I'm young enough and healthy enough that I'll spit on all yer graves anyways, ya bastards.
The difference is, of course, the rest of us realize it now.
09-05-2013, 01:05 PM
#34
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: A320 Cap
Posts: 2,282
Fraternal Brothers,
Through no fault of our own, we've been sidelined for over 10 years. All that time we've been tuning in and following along; the Forgotten, steaming up the windows from the outside looking in, full of what has turned out to be false hope and misplaced surety, confident that our Union of Bretheren were keepin' a weather eye out for us.
Now the decision has been made and we've been left disenfranchised; The Lost Boys of 2000-2001. The ones you neglected to remember when you smashed together these lists and stapled us behind the class of 2008.
It's alright; It's okay. We understand, and, most importantly (to you) it won't affect you and yours in any way.
The lads we'll take it out on is the lads behind us. No chance we'll be giving them any consideration or quarter; Why would we. We weren't given any. When the time comes....and it'll come, don't worry; we'll make selfish, me first decisions based on our own needs with no thought to what our juniors should get or deserve, same as you did. Well Done.
So here's to Fraternity; the lie of the Union; All for One and One for Number One.
See you in hell, Laddies,
The Disenfranchised
p.s. Despite all the setbacks, I'm young enough and healthy enough that I'll spit on all yer graves anyways, ya bastards.
Through no fault of our own, we've been sidelined for over 10 years. All that time we've been tuning in and following along; the Forgotten, steaming up the windows from the outside looking in, full of what has turned out to be false hope and misplaced surety, confident that our Union of Bretheren were keepin' a weather eye out for us.
Now the decision has been made and we've been left disenfranchised; The Lost Boys of 2000-2001. The ones you neglected to remember when you smashed together these lists and stapled us behind the class of 2008.
It's alright; It's okay. We understand, and, most importantly (to you) it won't affect you and yours in any way.
The lads we'll take it out on is the lads behind us. No chance we'll be giving them any consideration or quarter; Why would we. We weren't given any. When the time comes....and it'll come, don't worry; we'll make selfish, me first decisions based on our own needs with no thought to what our juniors should get or deserve, same as you did. Well Done.
So here's to Fraternity; the lie of the Union; All for One and One for Number One.
See you in hell, Laddies,
The Disenfranchised
p.s. Despite all the setbacks, I'm young enough and healthy enough that I'll spit on all yer graves anyways, ya bastards.
That being said, your post is WAY out of line irregardless of the suffering of the past 10 years.
09-05-2013, 06:58 PM
#35
Don't say Guppy
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: Guppy driver
Posts: 1,926
I empathize with the double furloughees, but at the same time, they have to accept responsibility for their choices, even if it was just bad luck.
If I were a 2000 or 2001 hire at UAL, and saw all our work rules go away in bankruptcy, I would have never looked back at UAL. We didn't outsource flying right away to RJ's, we outsourced flying to - ourselves. We flew the same number of flights with A LOT fewer pilots.
The more senior furloughees had a brighter outlook.
I have a half a dozen old squadron mates that were hired at UAL in 2000-2001. All are JB , Fedex, UPS, SWA, etc. None are ever coming back to UAL.
I think the arbs were wise in integrating some of the furloughs with active, but not all.
In the end, we take the cards we are dealt, and make our own choices. Choosing to come to UAL for the 3rd time?
I like to think I would have been a faster learner than that.
If I were a 2000 or 2001 hire at UAL, and saw all our work rules go away in bankruptcy, I would have never looked back at UAL. We didn't outsource flying right away to RJ's, we outsourced flying to - ourselves. We flew the same number of flights with A LOT fewer pilots.
The more senior furloughees had a brighter outlook.
I have a half a dozen old squadron mates that were hired at UAL in 2000-2001. All are JB , Fedex, UPS, SWA, etc. None are ever coming back to UAL.
I think the arbs were wise in integrating some of the furloughs with active, but not all.
In the end, we take the cards we are dealt, and make our own choices. Choosing to come to UAL for the 3rd time?
I like to think I would have been a faster learner than that.
09-05-2013, 07:15 PM
#36
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: It keeps changing.
Posts: 207
I empathize with the double furloughees, but at the same time, they have to accept responsibility for their choices, even if it was just bad luck.
If I were a 2000 or 2001 hire at UAL, and saw all our work rules go away in bankruptcy, I would have never looked back at UAL. We didn't outsource flying right away to RJ's, we outsourced flying to - ourselves. We flew the same number of flights with A LOT fewer pilots.
The more senior furloughees had a brighter outlook.
I have a half a dozen old squadron mates that were hired at UAL in 2000-2001. All are JB , Fedex, UPS, SWA, etc. None are ever coming back to UAL.
I think the arbs were wise in integrating some of the furloughs with active, but not all.
In the end, we take the cards we are dealt, and make our own choices. Choosing to come to UAL for the 3rd time?
I like to think I would have been a faster learner than that.
If I were a 2000 or 2001 hire at UAL, and saw all our work rules go away in bankruptcy, I would have never looked back at UAL. We didn't outsource flying right away to RJ's, we outsourced flying to - ourselves. We flew the same number of flights with A LOT fewer pilots.
The more senior furloughees had a brighter outlook.
I have a half a dozen old squadron mates that were hired at UAL in 2000-2001. All are JB , Fedex, UPS, SWA, etc. None are ever coming back to UAL.
I think the arbs were wise in integrating some of the furloughs with active, but not all.
In the end, we take the cards we are dealt, and make our own choices. Choosing to come to UAL for the 3rd time?
I like to think I would have been a faster learner than that.
Integrating some of the (2000 hires) furloughed UAL pilots BEHIND some of the furloughed CAL pilots is inexcusable.
09-05-2013, 08:15 PM
#37
Don't say Guppy
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: Guppy driver
Posts: 1,926
I disagree. The UAL MC spent a lot of negotiating equity into trying to get furloughs integrated in with active pilots. To now complain that you did not get more? They put the rest of their ISL proposal at risk by doing this.
I commend the UAL MC's efforts in this, and the arb's decision.
Your lack of confidence in not being able to land another flying gig is not my fault, or my problem. My old squadron mates didn't seem to have this problem.
I commend the UAL MC's efforts in this, and the arb's decision.
Your lack of confidence in not being able to land another flying gig is not my fault, or my problem. My old squadron mates didn't seem to have this problem.
09-05-2013, 08:17 PM
#38
Peace Love Understanding
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: Airbus
Posts: 1,040
09-05-2013, 08:36 PM
#39
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: It keeps changing.
Posts: 207
I'm certain that the UAL MC and the "arb's" (sic) are gratified to no end that you commend them.
The point being made was that your flippant remarks about how easy it is finding other suitable employment was out of line. To think that it's as simple as that is an indication that you don't really have much of a clue. That's all... pretty simple really. Maybe you shouldn't take things so personally?
09-05-2013, 08:41 PM
#40
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: It keeps changing.
Posts: 207
It's really a rhetorical question, I already know the answer. It's over and that's fine... it is what it is.
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