CousinEddie

Let me guess. You built time quickly thanks to the rapid RJ growth and got on with CAL quite young. The furloughed guys that got put in front of you only did so thanks to the considerable time they had already put in in years past. They are therefore a good bit older than you and will be long gone someday and you will have quite a number of years to go. They get some limited career recovery, you still enjoy a long period as a widebody Captain someday. Am I close?

80ktsClamp

Everyone seems reasonably upset. That means a pretty well done SLI, I suppose.

Slats Extend

I agree, the operation is a joke. Brought to bear by the CAL managers that took over.

CAL operational standards? That is exactly what is going on today brought to us by the CAL managers that run the place.

Nice swing and a miss.

APC225

I have to hand it to the UAL group. Brain surgeons in strategy. Five years ago you saw this coming and got ALPA to replace "no windfall" with "longevity." Just brilliant. Now a UAL FO on reserve will be bidding into a CA vacancy overnight. Under no windfall this never would have happened. But you've to give credit where credit is due. You took care of your own way before the merger was even announced. Congrats.

CousinEddie

Delaying SLI and locking up over 500 Captain bids. That was a good one too.

uaav8r

It's done.

AxlF16

The irony is, well - his name is Jim Brucia. He played a big part in changing merger policy. To complete the irony, he actually argued that the real intent of the change was better communication to members of WHAT the merger policy was in order to reduce erroneous expectations. In actuality, the LCAL merger committee (including Brucia) did EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE. They made a proposal that was nowhere close to the intent of the merger policy, and in doing so actually created unreasonable expectations among the LCAL pilot group. You were not served well.

Probe

I agree your side was represented in an extremely poor manner. If you read the explanation of the award, it is very damning with regards to the CAL MC proposals. At one point, he used the term "fatally defective".

In the end, what has been accomplished now?

1. JCBA and SLI delayed 3 years. No retro. Every pilot lost 10's of thousands of dollars.

2. Everybody in limbo. The contract ended up being a little substandard, as the UAL side voted yes just to stop the whipsaw. We all lose, again, for 5 years.

3. Company in limbo. Spending millions in training, and now retraining. Less profit sharing for everybody.

4. Bad blood for many, maybe for the rest of the careers caused by unrealistic expectations caused by movement on CAL side, and their moonshot proposal.

5. 10's of millions in merger expenses, to be paid for by all of us. For a result that should have been finished over 2 years ago, to reach the same result.

What a waste of time and money.

Blanket party for JP on his next layover? Since he will be voted out, he is going to have to go fly for a living.

Outsider

Mr. Skybo
I’m not sure of course where you have gained your perspective but it certainly has no depth. In 1978 the airlines were basically told they were to become a “business” overnight. Any and all airlines operating at that time have struggled to accomplish it. You could choose any airline, assign an arbitrary 10 yr period of time (since deregulation) to them and show an operation in trouble. Airlines now had businessmen running them and we have all suffered the embarrassment of that design.
However if you would ever take the time and exert the effort to study the real history of aviation you would find that United Air Lines was more than just an airline; it was actually one of the architects of the airline industry in this country in every sense of the word.
Also just to let you know; regarding the passengers opinion of an airline operation; these are the same people who would eat the left over peanuts in the seat tracks to get a cheaper ticket and drive all the airlines to the level of mediocrity we are today.
Graybeard

CAL 73

Furloughed pilots ahead of active pilots?? How is that fair??

ohh..let me guess..to rightsize for CAL merger. Right


I truly hope this place burns to the ground and UAL dies like it should have years ago. And yes, i do fly here.