The MEC Chairs have it
09-04-2013, 08:15 AM
#71
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I haven't commented on the results of the SLI on the forums until now, but not all of us are doing this. I went back and looked at my previous seniority of L-CAL only pilots and compared it with today's new list of ALL United pilots (not including the constructive notice/new-hire pilots). I lost nothing and ended up with a little more than 3% bump in relative seniority. Of course if you include the CNPs, that percentage change is greater, but that isn't a good comparison to where we all were when this started.
Some of my friends aren't happy and are saying they are losing seniority, but maybe I am just more objective than many are being. Compare apples to apples, not apples to Harleys. I crunch their numbers and they just don't like the answer I give them.
This is done....it's time to move on. Am I really the only L-CAL pilot not upset or mad about the new list?
Some of my friends aren't happy and are saying they are losing seniority, but maybe I am just more objective than many are being. Compare apples to apples, not apples to Harleys. I crunch their numbers and they just don't like the answer I give them.
This is done....it's time to move on. Am I really the only L-CAL pilot not upset or mad about the new list?
09-04-2013, 12:12 PM
#72
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I haven't commented on the results of the SLI on the forums until now, but not all of us are doing this. I went back and looked at my previous seniority of L-CAL only pilots and compared it with today's new list of ALL United pilots (not including the constructive notice/new-hire pilots). I lost nothing and ended up with a little more than 3% bump in relative seniority. Of course if you include the CNPs, that percentage change is greater, but that isn't a good comparison to where we all were when this started.
Some of my friends aren't happy and are saying they are losing seniority, but maybe I am just more objective than many are being. Compare apples to apples, not apples to Harleys. I crunch their numbers and they just don't like the answer I give them.
This is done....it's time to move on. Am I really the only L-CAL pilot not upset or mad about the new list?
Some of my friends aren't happy and are saying they are losing seniority, but maybe I am just more objective than many are being. Compare apples to apples, not apples to Harleys. I crunch their numbers and they just don't like the answer I give them.
This is done....it's time to move on. Am I really the only L-CAL pilot not upset or mad about the new list?
I am glad it is done - it has taken 2 1/2 years too long. First Jack and Coke is on me.
09-04-2013, 01:27 PM
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But you are COMPLETELY happy with 2006 hires jumping 1997 hires when it's the other way around? You simply can't have it both ways, but you are complaining about both sides of the list. I think what I'm figuring out is that "fair and equitable" to you would be straight DOH until 1988.... then staple the LUAL guys.
09-04-2013, 02:34 PM
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Position: EWR B737FO
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I haven't commented on the results of the SLI on the forums until now, but not all of us are doing this. I went back and looked at my previous seniority of L-CAL only pilots and compared it with today's new list of ALL United pilots (not including the constructive notice/new-hire pilots). I lost nothing and ended up with a little more than 3% bump in relative seniority. Of course if you include the CNPs, that percentage change is greater, but that isn't a good comparison to where we all were when this started.
Some of my friends aren't happy and are saying they are losing seniority, but maybe I am just more objective than many are being. Compare apples to apples, not apples to Harleys. I crunch their numbers and they just don't like the answer I give them.
This is done....it's time to move on. Am I really the only L-CAL pilot not upset or mad about the new list?
Some of my friends aren't happy and are saying they are losing seniority, but maybe I am just more objective than many are being. Compare apples to apples, not apples to Harleys. I crunch their numbers and they just don't like the answer I give them.
This is done....it's time to move on. Am I really the only L-CAL pilot not upset or mad about the new list?
BTW...kudos to the UA MC...they orchestrated and played the changes to the ALPA merger policy too their strong advantage and the arbitrators believed in their methodology.
09-04-2013, 06:15 PM
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The introduction of 1400+ furloughed pilots into the active mix of both CAL and UAL and using 2010 list, negatively impacted the back half of the CAL list and future bidding, but not so for the back half of the UAL active pilots....they got bumps and we got dumped....so I've not met any CAL pilot that is happy with the list. Perhaps on an individual basis, some did ok but as a group of CAL active pilots, we got our heads handed too us.
BTW...kudos to the UA MC...they orchestrated and played the changes to the ALPA merger policy too their strong advantage and the arbitrators believed in their methodology.
BTW...kudos to the UA MC...they orchestrated and played the changes to the ALPA merger policy too their strong advantage and the arbitrators believed in their methodology.
09-04-2013, 06:54 PM
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This is probably unpopular opinion amongst CAL pilots, but the simple fact is the CAL proposal would have absolutely skunked this pilot group for decades. I never expected it to be accepted and quite frankly am content it wasn't. With that in mind, we need to move forward. I understand both sides have there heartburn and outrage, but at the end of the day I don't disagree with much that the arbs wrote. Anyone that lacks the character to prevent their glee or outrage from making it to the line needs a blanket party ASAP.
09-04-2013, 07:01 PM
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This is probably unpopular opinion amongst CAL pilots, but the simple fact is the CAL proposal would have absolutely skunked this pilot group for decades. I never expected it to be accepted and quite frankly am content it wasn't. With that in mind, we need to move forward. I understand both sides have there heartburn and outrage, but at the end of the day I don't disagree with much that the arbs wrote. Anyone that lacks the character to prevent their glee or outrage from making it to the line needs a blanket party ASAP.
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