MEC meetings to discuss the ISL?
08-27-2013, 02:39 PM
#81
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Maybe not Friday.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
We have been granted a hearing on our filing for a TRO for tomorrow at 1430, Tuesday 28 August 2013. We are asking the judge to delay the SLI process for a very brief moment until we can have the hearing for the Declaratory Relief. This ensures that if Bid 14-02 is vacated via Declaratory Judgment, that a violation of our joint Collective Bargaining Agreement will not be used to favor one group of United Pilots over the other. Regardless of the success of the TRO hearing tomorrow, we will be scheduling a "speedy hearing" for Declaratory Relief and that hearing will take place in the very near future.
Respectfully Submitted,
Documents may be viewed at the address below:
https://www.wepay.com/donations/grievance-14-02_1
https://drive.google.com/folderview?...2s&usp=sharing
We have been granted a hearing on our filing for a TRO for tomorrow at 1430, Tuesday 28 August 2013. We are asking the judge to delay the SLI process for a very brief moment until we can have the hearing for the Declaratory Relief. This ensures that if Bid 14-02 is vacated via Declaratory Judgment, that a violation of our joint Collective Bargaining Agreement will not be used to favor one group of United Pilots over the other. Regardless of the success of the TRO hearing tomorrow, we will be scheduling a "speedy hearing" for Declaratory Relief and that hearing will take place in the very near future.
Respectfully Submitted,
Documents may be viewed at the address below:
https://www.wepay.com/donations/grievance-14-02_1
https://drive.google.com/folderview?...2s&usp=sharing
08-27-2013, 02:52 PM
#82
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I asked the question with regards to the gum base and bidding monthly schedules. Would the seniority be effective immediately? His response was what I posted to the best of my memory. Perhaps ask a UAL SLI committee member and see what they say. I was just answering a question that was asked to the best of my knowledge. I certainly don't know nor have seen any policy written about sli implementation
08-27-2013, 03:06 PM
#84
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I would very much doubt that most of the L-Ual folks at L-Cal will be bidding their new positions for quite awhile. As much as you might wish it, doing so without a vacancy bid would be a defacto recall to the airline. A recall that would be out of seniority order and that is prohibited by every CBA that I have ever seen. In addition, the pilot(s),who are still on furlough, and senior would certainly have a cause of action against ALPA.
I think that your demand that these guys bid their new positions is way way out in left field.
Although I could be wrong.
I think that your demand that these guys bid their new positions is way way out in left field.
Although I could be wrong.
08-27-2013, 03:11 PM
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Cute brain child of the 90's but why didn't they keep the Continental name. Was it due to the regional nature of that airline? Or, could it have been due to the name that destroyed many lives in it short post Lorenzo rule? Could it have been due to the Name recognition that United Airlines has? I could go on but you get the idea. The reason they adapted the paint job was cost and they quarter round logo is a joke to please the peons.
No, Carol, it was because if the United name was 86'd all their debt would have come due. Basically, it's as if in addition to rescuing the survivors the Carpathia changed her name to Titanic.
08-27-2013, 03:19 PM
#86
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Aug. 27, 2013
Last week we reported that the CAL and UAL MECs received word from the arbitrators that they are on track to complete the integrated seniority list (ISL), with the possibility of the award being released around the end of this week, at the earliest. Nothing has changed the arbitration panel’s timeline, with the caveat that there can be no guarantees that the ISL will be complete by month’s end.
We have been advised that a request for a temporary restraining order against the release of the ISL has been filed in U.S. District Court. A court hearing has been scheduled in Washington tomorrow to consider the request. At this point, we have no further information on the intentions of the court or whether there will be any potential for impact on the ISL award timing.
ALPA is addressing this issue and the CAL MEC continues with plans to be in session the latter part of this week, in the event that the arbitrators are completed with their task and issue the ISL. We will continue to keep you informed.
CAL MEC Chairman
08-27-2013, 04:11 PM
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08-27-2013, 04:12 PM
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I would very much doubt that most of the L-Ual folks at L-Cal will be bidding their new positions for quite awhile. As much as you might wish it, doing so without a vacancy bid would be a defacto recall to the airline. A recall that would be out of seniority order and that is prohibited by every CBA that I have ever seen. In addition, the pilot(s),who are still on furlough, and senior would certainly have a cause of action against ALPA.
I think that your demand that these guys bid their new positions is way way out in left field.
Although I could be wrong.
I think that your demand that these guys bid their new positions is way way out in left field.
Although I could be wrong.
Let's use the example ofLCAL EWR 737 FO >> assume LUAL pilot Joe Schmuckatelli is bidding #269 based on his current TPA directed seniority. If, as a result of the ISL, First Officer Schmuckatelli is placed senior to 100 of the current EWR 737 FOs that are between #1 and #268, do you contend that he will have to wait for some future bid before exercising his ISL seniority within the EWR 737 FO list? Assume that all of those 269 pilots are trained and currently flying in that BES.
08-27-2013, 04:22 PM
#89
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Resignation
I would very much doubt that most of the L-Ual folks at L-Cal will be bidding their new positions for quite awhile. As much as you might wish it, doing so without a vacancy bid would be a defacto recall to the airline. A recall that would be out of seniority order and that is prohibited by every CBA that I have ever seen. In addition, the pilot(s),who are still on furlough, and senior would certainly have a cause of action against ALPA.
I think that your demand that these guys bid their new positions is way way out in left field.
Although I could be wrong.
I think that your demand that these guys bid their new positions is way way out in left field.
Although I could be wrong.
Gypsy
Last edited by B727gypsy; 08-27-2013 at 04:23 PM. Reason: Grammar
08-27-2013, 04:22 PM
#90
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Glad you mentioned that and speaking of new and reliable sCAL aircraft, the event below was going on while you were typing.
Karma? Or something about stones and glass houses?
Karma? Or something about stones and glass houses?
United Airlines' flight from Delhi makes emergency landing in Moscow
Over 260 passengers on an American airline flight from New Delhi to Newark were stranded at an airport here.
MOSCOW: Over 260 passengers on an American airline flight from New Delhi to Newark were stranded at an airport here today after the aircraft made an emergency landing because of a mechanical problem.
The United Airlines' Boeing 777-200 with 267 passengers and 16 crew landed at 3.50 am Moscow time. The malfunction of a central accumulator unit caused the emergency landing, Itar-Tass news agency reported.
The passengers were "fuming" at Domodedovo Airport after being stranded for hours without food or a place to sleep, said a report in The Moscow Times.
No one was injured in the landing and no visible damage was found to the aircraft, reports said.
After disembarking at Domodedovo's international terminal, the passengers were told they would have to wait until 11 pm for the plane to continue its flight to Newark in New Jersey.
The passengers became "frustrated" when the flight crew disappeared and United Airlines did not provide representatives to offer assistance, reports said.
Over 260 passengers on an American airline flight from New Delhi to Newark were stranded at an airport here.
MOSCOW: Over 260 passengers on an American airline flight from New Delhi to Newark were stranded at an airport here today after the aircraft made an emergency landing because of a mechanical problem.
The United Airlines' Boeing 777-200 with 267 passengers and 16 crew landed at 3.50 am Moscow time. The malfunction of a central accumulator unit caused the emergency landing, Itar-Tass news agency reported.
The passengers were "fuming" at Domodedovo Airport after being stranded for hours without food or a place to sleep, said a report in The Moscow Times.
No one was injured in the landing and no visible damage was found to the aircraft, reports said.
After disembarking at Domodedovo's international terminal, the passengers were told they would have to wait until 11 pm for the plane to continue its flight to Newark in New Jersey.
The passengers became "frustrated" when the flight crew disappeared and United Airlines did not provide representatives to offer assistance, reports said.
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