LCAL dude

untied

Everyone will use their new number immediately. Let me give you an example why...

A freshly recalled UAL pilot bids 737 F/O next month in IAH. By your arguments, he will be able to use his proper seniority at that point. Since you contend that the current LUAL guys can't use their new seniority number, the newly recalled guy is now bidding senior to other LUAL guys on the 737 list who are senior to him!

Can you see how that just doesn't work?

Probe

Yeah I understand, but it doesn't matter. We have contractual rights. They cannot force us to recall. We are new hire pilots at lCAL. We are furloughed from UAL. Both the company and ALPA were EXTREMELY explicit in this.

If what you say is true, then all the lUAL pilots at lCAL that want to exercise their recall rights would need to quit their CAL job. Now. Not a good plan for CAL 737 manpower planning.

Before I accepted the job at CAL, I inquired about this. The choices I said before are what I was told by the company's furlough coordinator, I believe.

If you have new info, I will gladly listen.

Probe

Again, I believe the choices are:

1. Recall in place. Stay in your BES, with your new seniority number. Do you use your new seniority number for bidding right away? Not sure but it should be soon.

2. Enter the recall process and take your chances. Will you stay with your lCAL new SLI number or lUAL SLI number for monthly bidding until you recall? I don't know.

3. Voluntary furloughs get to recall to BES if they can hold it, or bump if they can't. Can they bump to both sides? I don't know.

4. Quit lCAL. Go back on furlough. Recall or bypass.

LAX Pilot

Everything you are mentioning is PRE- SLI. Once SLI is done there isn't an L-CAL. Its ONE LIST, and you are on it flying again.

LAX Pilot

There isn't a choice. If you are flying a L-CAL as a L-UAL furloughee you are "recalled in place" immediately upon the SLI being published. You won't be asked to do anything and won't have options.

This is a provision of the TPA.

jetlink

It's seems like you want it all: Recall right for 10 years and choice of your seniority.
It doesn't work like that. The agreement for SLI - was no choices, recall in place if on L-CAL new hired position, or if absent/ furloughed, recall right up to 10 years from last furloughed day.
Your choices now are limited, you're recalled in place to new UA, or you can quit/resign.
After SLI, there will be a system bid for everyone to bid their choice of A/C and base, implementation will take a while, since their are many pilots with many expectations, plus we have to continue new hire classes, since we don't expect too many accepting recall. Many of the furloughed pilots, that wanted to came back, are already here on the CAL side. Perhaps 10%, out of the remaining 700+, at best will return, all depends on their placement on seniority list, which, even according to L-UAL proposed list, wan't be high enough for the rest of furloughed pilots to return. If your are a CA in JB or SWA and in your 50s, there isn't any incentive for you to came back here, since it'll take at lest 5+ years to get to the compatible pay and QOL as what they have now. Only the most desperate 55+ will come back, those that fly for cargo out of Afghanistan for $70K or less. Average age of recalls is about 40-50 yo. Yes the best and most productive time of their lives where sucked out by empty promise of L-UAL propaganda - sorry could't resist

picaro

This debate assumes the ual list is adopted in its entirity. If not this whole debate is a moot point except for the most senior of the furloughs which at cal is a fairly small minority. Which might I add is remote possibility at best. If they were going to use either list in its entirety, I would imagine it would not take them a month to cut and paste! Or of course they could be devising a list that is even more advantageous to the furlough's as well. Well know on Tues.

SONORA PASS

Jet Link,

At this point in time, the above statement is not true.

ALPA offered WRITTEN assurances to many L-UAL pilots considering Guppy jobs at L-CAL that state the opposite.

It is true that recent responses from ALPA for updated information have been muddier than pond water.
If you have updated and legally binding guidance on this issue please share it.

V/R

SP

sleeves

I thought we were done with system bids, we just use the old United way of doing vacancy bids now.