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10-20-2013, 08:38 AM
#251
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: EWR 320FO
Posts: 173
Take it with a grain of salt. There are many moving parts right now.
FWIW, all new-hire training on the 737 with bases in EWR/IAH was the plan---and is one that UAL is still pursuing to a certain extent.
However, ALPA is also rightfully holding the company's feet to the fire and has reminded the company that new-hires must be placed in unfilled vacancies from equipment awards and not just where the company has convenient near-term training capacity. There should be another equipment bid opening very soon that will provide some insight into the future bases/fleets for new-hires. In fact, line pilots are being told to expect monthly equipment bids for the foreseeable future.
Stay tuned.
FWIW, all new-hire training on the 737 with bases in EWR/IAH was the plan---and is one that UAL is still pursuing to a certain extent.
However, ALPA is also rightfully holding the company's feet to the fire and has reminded the company that new-hires must be placed in unfilled vacancies from equipment awards and not just where the company has convenient near-term training capacity. There should be another equipment bid opening very soon that will provide some insight into the future bases/fleets for new-hires. In fact, line pilots are being told to expect monthly equipment bids for the foreseeable future.
Stay tuned.
10-21-2013, 06:22 AM
#252
Banned
Joined APC: Aug 2010
Position: next to chronic complainers...
Posts: 364
The training lock for equipment is two years.
However, one can change bases as many times as desired on the same equipment (i.e. "a lateral"). (Example: EWR 737 FO to ORD 737 FO to SFO 737 FO.)
A pilot may move up to larger equipment at any time regardless of a freeze. (example: 737 FO to 757/767 FO). A pilot cannot go from the 737 to the A320 for two years because of the freeze. Here's the contract reference:
However, one can change bases as many times as desired on the same equipment (i.e. "a lateral"). (Example: EWR 737 FO to ORD 737 FO to SFO 737 FO.)
A pilot may move up to larger equipment at any time regardless of a freeze. (example: 737 FO to 757/767 FO). A pilot cannot go from the 737 to the A320 for two years because of the freeze. Here's the contract reference:
8-D-1-d An Equipment training freeze shall not restrict a Pilot in a lower–numbered Equipment/pay band from being awarded a vacancy in a higher-numbered Equipment/pay band, pursuant to the bands described below:
1) 321/320/319FO, 737FO
2) 767/757FO
3) 747FO, 777FO, 787FO, 350FO
4) 321/320/319CA, 737CA
5) 767/757CA
6) 747CA, 777CA, 787CA, 350CA
1) 321/320/319FO, 737FO
2) 767/757FO
3) 747FO, 777FO, 787FO, 350FO
4) 321/320/319CA, 737CA
5) 767/757CA
6) 747CA, 777CA, 787CA, 350CA
10-21-2013, 06:38 AM
#253
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,639
FWIW, here are the entire sections:
8-D-1 Equipment Training Freeze
8-D-1-a When a Pilot enters training for a vacancy award, he may be ineligible to be awarded another vacancy for twenty-four (24) months if the number of training days (excluding days off) for the training he has entered is thirteen (13) days or greater, or for twelve (12) months if the training he has entered is less than thirteen (13) days. There shall be no restriction on his eligibility to be awarded another vacancy if training is not required.
8-D-1-b An Equipment training freeze shall also apply to a Pilot who requires training upon being hired as a Pilot or upon being recalled from furlough.
8-D-1-c An Equipment training freeze shall begin the first day a Pilot starts training, and shall apply to any vacancy bulletin whose closing date falls within the duration of the freeze.
8-D-1-d An Equipment training freeze shall not restrict a Pilot in a lower–numbered Equipment/pay band from being awarded a vacancy in a higher-numbered Equipment/pay band, pursuant to the bands described below:
8-D-2 Bidding Freeze8-D-1-b An Equipment training freeze shall also apply to a Pilot who requires training upon being hired as a Pilot or upon being recalled from furlough.
8-D-1-c An Equipment training freeze shall begin the first day a Pilot starts training, and shall apply to any vacancy bulletin whose closing date falls within the duration of the freeze.
8-D-1-d An Equipment training freeze shall not restrict a Pilot in a lower–numbered Equipment/pay band from being awarded a vacancy in a higher-numbered Equipment/pay band, pursuant to the bands described below:
1) 321/320/319FO, 737FO
2) 767/757FO
3) 747FO, 777FO, 787FO, 350FO
4) 321/320/319CA, 737CA
5) 767/757CA
6) 747CA, 777CA, 787CA, 350CA
8-D-1-e An Equipment training freeze shall not restrict a Pilot from bidding to a “new” Category (a Category shall be considered “new” for all vacancies with advertised effective dates within six (6) months of the advertised effective date of the first vacancies bid in that new Category).2) 767/757FO
3) 747FO, 777FO, 787FO, 350FO
4) 321/320/319CA, 737CA
5) 767/757CA
6) 747CA, 777CA, 787CA, 350CA
8-D-2-a When a Pilot is awarded an assignment through vacancy bidding and such award does not move him from a lower-numbered band to a higher-numbered band in accordance with Section 8-D-1-d, he may be ineligible to be awarded any other vacancy for twenty-four (24) months. However, a Pilot shall be eligible to be awarded a vacancy for a “lateral” award (i.e., change in Base only; present Equipment and Status remain the same) without incurring an additional bidding freeze.
8-D-2-b A bidding freeze shall begin the first day a Pilot starts training or, if training is not required, on the date of his Activation, and shall apply to any vacancy bid whose closing date falls within the duration of the freeze.
8-D-2-c A bidding freeze shall not restrict a Pilot from bidding for a Captain vacancy in his current Equipment type, nor from bidding to a new Base (a Base shall be considered “new” for vacancies with effective dates within six (6) months of the effective date of the first vacancy bulletin for that new Base).
8-D-2-b A bidding freeze shall begin the first day a Pilot starts training or, if training is not required, on the date of his Activation, and shall apply to any vacancy bid whose closing date falls within the duration of the freeze.
8-D-2-c A bidding freeze shall not restrict a Pilot from bidding for a Captain vacancy in his current Equipment type, nor from bidding to a new Base (a Base shall be considered “new” for vacancies with effective dates within six (6) months of the effective date of the first vacancy bulletin for that new Base).
Last edited by cadetdrivr; 10-21-2013 at 06:48 AM.
10-21-2013, 11:35 AM
#254
Banned
Joined APC: Aug 2010
Position: next to chronic complainers...
Posts: 364
Um, no. (Hint: this is the entire reason there are equipment and bidding freezes.)
FWIW, here are the entire sections:
FWIW, here are the entire sections:
8-D-1 Equipment Training Freeze
8-D-1-a When a Pilot enters training for a vacancy award, he may be ineligible to be awarded another vacancy for twenty-four (24) months if the number of training days (excluding days off) for the training he has entered is thirteen (13) days or greater, or for twelve (12) months if the training he has entered is less than thirteen (13) days. There shall be no restriction on his eligibility to be awarded another vacancy if training is not required.
8-D-1-b An Equipment training freeze shall also apply to a Pilot who requires training upon being hired as a Pilot or upon being recalled from furlough.
8-D-1-c An Equipment training freeze shall begin the first day a Pilot starts training, and shall apply to any vacancy bulletin whose closing date falls within the duration of the freeze.
8-D-1-d An Equipment training freeze shall not restrict a Pilot in a lower–numbered Equipment/pay band from being awarded a vacancy in a higher-numbered Equipment/pay band, pursuant to the bands described below:
8-D-2 Bidding Freeze8-D-1-b An Equipment training freeze shall also apply to a Pilot who requires training upon being hired as a Pilot or upon being recalled from furlough.
8-D-1-c An Equipment training freeze shall begin the first day a Pilot starts training, and shall apply to any vacancy bulletin whose closing date falls within the duration of the freeze.
8-D-1-d An Equipment training freeze shall not restrict a Pilot in a lower–numbered Equipment/pay band from being awarded a vacancy in a higher-numbered Equipment/pay band, pursuant to the bands described below:
1) 321/320/319FO, 737FO
2) 767/757FO
3) 747FO, 777FO, 787FO, 350FO
4) 321/320/319CA, 737CA
5) 767/757CA
6) 747CA, 777CA, 787CA, 350CA
8-D-1-e An Equipment training freeze shall not restrict a Pilot from bidding to a “new” Category (a Category shall be considered “new” for all vacancies with advertised effective dates within six (6) months of the advertised effective date of the first vacancies bid in that new Category).2) 767/757FO
3) 747FO, 777FO, 787FO, 350FO
4) 321/320/319CA, 737CA
5) 767/757CA
6) 747CA, 777CA, 787CA, 350CA
8-D-2-a When a Pilot is awarded an assignment through vacancy bidding and such award does not move him from a lower-numbered band to a higher-numbered band in accordance with Section 8-D-1-d, he may be ineligible to be awarded any other vacancy for twenty-four (24) months. However, a Pilot shall be eligible to be awarded a vacancy for a “lateral” award (i.e., change in Base only; present Equipment and Status remain the same) without incurring an additional bidding freeze.
8-D-2-b A bidding freeze shall begin the first day a Pilot starts training or, if training is not required, on the date of his Activation, and shall apply to any vacancy bid whose closing date falls within the duration of the freeze.
8-D-2-c A bidding freeze shall not restrict a Pilot from bidding for a Captain vacancy in his current Equipment type, nor from bidding to a new Base (a Base shall be considered “new” for vacancies with effective dates within six (6) months of the effective date of the first vacancy bulletin for that new Base).
8-D-2-b A bidding freeze shall begin the first day a Pilot starts training or, if training is not required, on the date of his Activation, and shall apply to any vacancy bid whose closing date falls within the duration of the freeze.
8-D-2-c A bidding freeze shall not restrict a Pilot from bidding for a Captain vacancy in his current Equipment type, nor from bidding to a new Base (a Base shall be considered “new” for vacancies with effective dates within six (6) months of the effective date of the first vacancy bulletin for that new Base).
10-21-2013, 11:44 AM
#255
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2007
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 1,982
10-21-2013, 04:37 PM
#258
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 65
Is a class C misdemeanor for underage drinking in 1992 while at college attending a 4 year aviation program in Indiana a show stopper? Otherwise, corporate background, clean record, 1 failed check ride (instrument initial successfully taken 2 days later), 7000TT, 3200TJ PIC, 4 type ratings (CL300, HS125, BE400, CE500). Don't know anyone who works there. Disadvantage of coming from the corporate side of things. Happily employed at this point. However, in corporate aviation you never know. I am just interested to see if I even have a shot. Thanks.
10-21-2013, 05:23 PM
#259
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,639
They are not looking for perfect people but they are on the lookout for those with multiple events that could be evidence of a undesirable trend.
I guarantee the interview Captain sitting across the table has something in his past that was a "learning opportunity."
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