SoCalGuy

Interesting.......

Saw this from Ben on anther thread. May want to converse with the V/C (or S/T) directly to see if he'd put a "brief" in writing since the above said actions would have to be held w/in the minutes of an official LEC meeting.

It would be a nice litmus test to see if "one" get's a returned phone call.....Rumor has it that some within the current Council are not too good at returning phone requests, even for those who they directly represent.....just saying.

LAX Pilot

My guess is NOT ONE CAL pilot in the room objected to their brother pilots being thrown out of the meeting, because their self-interest of a seniority grab is overwhelming them right now.

SoCalGuy

So does that mean you're not going to call your L-UA NYC C-Rep, Rob Slovitski, and ask him as to what the minutes of the meeting actually held, or just go by way APC hearsay???

I know.....The lighter of the two options is the "easy way" to roll.

flybynuts

Stop guessing just to start a fight. Facts look better here. A little fact here is that no UAL furloughee on the CAL side objected when Heppner came to Houston and asked some of us to leave when he wanted to speak "to his people" in 2012. Not one CAL pilot complained either. Nobody did because well all understood there is still the fact that we aren't combined quite yet but we still have private matters to discuss among our own but separate MECs.

There is no movement to sue and take action if the ISL leans to UAL proposal, unlike the 5 attempts by some on your side to be ready when it all goes down. Both Unions are doing what is right, fighting for their people and being prepared when the list comes out.

I am curious to see what these threads will look like in a week or so with postings like this?

horrido27

So..
Let's get some "facts" straight. Especially since I WAS at the meeting, and talked with both LUAL Furloughees/CAL NewHires involved.

1) There was no talk about "what if..." that led to the guys being asked to leave. Tony M (MC Member and running for Capt Rep) got up to give a brief dealing with the SLI. I don't remember who asked for Rob S to leave, but that led to someone also asking for the other two pilots to leave.
B) None of the pilots made an objection and there was nothing disruptive going on. I will admit that it never occurred to me to object. Wasn't thinking about it. And like I said, the pilots involved said nothing either!
iii)(In my opinion) there was nothing in TM's presentation that warranted the removal of anybody.. not ever Rob S. Some of what he discussed (possible timeline, what happens after a list, ect..) was actually discussed by others both before & after Tony's talk.

Look, as usual.. people are slinging mud and making false accusations.
Was it one of my local council better moments.. nope.
There was also a tone of "Fear" thrown out by numerous individuals and to me, that is troubling.
I can only hope I get on the Ballot. I'm tired of the "fear". I'm tired of the mistrust. I'm tired of the "I've got a secret" attitude. It prevails on both sides but it must stop after we get an SLI if we are to have any chance of Unifying and moving forward.
If we don't, then our Company may be screwed in the future, along with our Pilot group. Just my .02 cents.

Motch

PS> I went up to both of the guys when they came back in.. introduced myself and welcomed them. Just like I did with Rob when I saw him at the beginning of the meeting. We are not the enemy. You are not the enemy.

SoCalGuy

According to MOTCH, who was actually there, if "Rob S." is synonyms with Rob Slovitski, then your ^^point^^ holds no water if he was present in regards to what's going on at a L-CAL meeting.

Along with the other's, why don't you call YOUR L-UA Rep, Rob Slovitski to get the facts as opposed to make comments as you did above.....It would personally help you gain some credibility Carol, if there happens to be any left at this point.

flybynuts

Motch,

Thanks for facts here. This is a mountain out of a mole hill which is common of most of the angry posters. It seems that many hate the idea of facts. When real facts are presented here there is the act by the dissenters to challenge the facts by presenting their own facts (but its really opinion or conjecture) to try and discredit.

Short Bus Drive

IF furloughees from s-UAL, that are in good standing and PAYING dues to s-CAL now, were asked to leave, that would be wrong.
IF s-UAL members were asked to leave because of CAL "strategies" (or whatever) that were going to be discussed, I tend to agree. Like it was stated previously, UAL has done the same to s-CAL members...
IMO

flybynuts

Carlos,

Please don't ever put words in my mouth or try and speak for me. Be respectful. Because Motch posted facts I believe it is worth pointing out. Many on here do not post facts but just spew words to incite and to try and sound like they know the facts or for personal entertainment. I think that is not appropriate. Anyone can and should share his/her opinion. That is why have forums to educate and debate like adults.

Call your rep if you are wanting to know facts since you don't like what Motch is saying.

flybynuts

Have your opinions for Motch or anybody. I don't wanting you to speak for me on how I have and will vote on anything. I will tell you how I voted and will vote. I cannot even vote for Motch since I am IAH. Don't take that as me saying I that would vote for him (facts only). I haven't even begun to think about the combined union hoopla since there are so many other things I have to focus on with this company and the merger both personally and professionally. Business decisions by the company and Union are made daily. We can agree or disagree with those decisions. It seems that you are trying to create collateral damage with your frustration about these decisions by attacking everyone not on your side. All CAL (and UAL) guys and gals are not bad people so please trying to portray us as such.