Originally Posted by Carolsdanger

Do you think the airline is doing so poorly because of the name United Airlines or the Regional mentality of CAL management?

Originally Posted by Skyflyin

Why do you think UAL's union agreed to allow only 90% block hours in the T&PA? Because they were already scheduled to shrink, that is why. Why did the company agree to 100% block hours for the CAL side? .

Originally Posted by Carolsdanger

I know - you guys celebrate getting a new Copier for the office. That's not an award it just a copier - you paid for it.
There's a big difference between running a regional sized airline and trying to manage a truly international carrier. Your managerment guys are not doing so well, more overwhelmed that is. Why do you think more UAL people are being moved into key positions? With more UAL people moving into flight operations you'll see major improvements in operation and QOL. Maybe they'll move more to the business side.

Originally Posted by Carolsdanger

I think most of what you speak has been disproven on this very forum.

Originally Posted by Carolsdanger

CAL had already been through 2 bankruptcies and headed for the third. Why do you think UAL saved CAL?

Originally Posted by Skyflyin

Why do you think UAL's union agreed to allow only 90% block hours in the T&PA? Because they were already scheduled to shrink, that is why. Why did the company agree to 100% block hours for the CAL side? Because we were scheduled to grow.

Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp05

Why is it that some of our LUAL posters on APC conveniently forget this FACT? Perhaps it's because this one tiny little fact renders all of their "points" as moot.

Originally Posted by SEDPA

It's obvious to the some of the L-UAL MD (reference previous post) types on here that since there are guppies flying into and out of UAL hubs that say UNITED on them, then that is their flying that the CAL guys don't have the "rightful" seniority to fly. Lets keep this simple ... if it was your flying, then you would be doing it; the flying hour protections that were GIVEN to the UAL side, along with other T&PA provisions ensured that post MCD, each airline was run effectively as separate airlines (under pre merger contracts) until a JCBA became effective ... there was nothing taken from one side and given to the other (including PS). This is all so comical in light of the fact that the legacy CAL contract actually protected CAL flying in the case of a merger (the T&PA didn't give this to us, we had it in our contract), while the only protections the L-UAL side had was mainline to feeder ratios; the T&PA gave them the 90% protection. Yet some how, they feel entitled to our seats. We will see how the three wise men feel about their "entitlements" soon enough.

Originally Posted by oldmako

CAL 73,

"...and thank you for dragging Continental from #2 to United's consecutive dead last place..."


Perhaps you ought to look who occupies Willis Tower and assign the blame accordingly?

Here's the new reality, OUR new airline blows.

However, even during the worst days of our bankruptcy it was a far better operation than it is today. The IT is worse. Training is worse. First and Business are now a joke. Flight ops, worse. Travel is worse. Insurance is worse. Employee intimidation however, is WAY up! The new UAL is cheap, cheap, cheap and the pax are leaving for Delta. You can thank Jeff and his team for that.

The planes are clean and the wing walkers are nice. I will grant you that.

Have a swell career!

Originally Posted by Sunvox

I dare you to do a line by line factual analysis of the 2 CBAs vs. the JCBA and publish the results. On the surface you have numerous basic issues that show the trend:

1) duty rigs
2) 9 hrs behind the door
3) reserve rules
4) DH seating at work and to training
5) rest seats on international flights
6) international crew augmentation
7) contractual language that stands up in court

and, I'd be willing to bet that this list is just the beginning, but again I'd love to see a line by line analysis as I have not yet done this analysis myself. I will say that I have 3 friends on furlough and they have said they would not go work for CAL because of the work rules. I don't know if that is true or accurate, but that is what I have heard.

I like to think I have a very open mind and if you would like to start a new thread dedicated to proving that this JCBA is no improvement in QOL for CAL I will try very hard to listen with an open mind. Perhaps we could even invite outside moderators to determine who is correct.

So, what do you say? Want to debate this issue on a fair and collegiate level without name calling or mud slinging?

Originally Posted by Sunvox

Can I get an "Amen"!?!

And, how about my unanswered QOL thread challenge:








But,


in a minor attempt to return this thread to it's original intent I will speak to Craig . . .

I was an early supporter of the grievance, but the lawsuit will fail and only serves to cost ALPA money which in turn comes out of our collective pockets. The trouble is that ALPA agrees with the company that they had an "unwritten" understanding, and you can not overcome their complicity by quoting the JCBA. Your lawyer is telling you what you want to hear not what will win.