Originally Posted by cadetdrivr

Perhaps we could have a nice discussion on how UAL, unlike another certain airline, was able to "cash out" $600M?

Originally Posted by cadetdrivr

The borrowing had nothing to do with stock. UAL Corporation purchased CAL in a non-cash stock transaction to create UCH. UAL was presumably leveraging itself further to provide cash for the post-merger entity.

Originally Posted by cadetdrivr

I simply don't care who needed who more.

IMHO, this merger was a forgone conclusion the day DAL/NWA was announced and both airlines were quite active in pursuing the merger for similar reasons.

It was not a hostile takeover.

Originally Posted by Skyflyin

Maybe that other certain airline didn't need to leverage itself any more.

Originally Posted by Kilder

Well let us assume that your argument is true, because it does sound reasonable and could be the case but if it is you will run into some problems justifying your SLI argument.

If UAL had to remove aircraft in order to be allowed to merge then the argument that CAL had no options and that United pilot career expectations were equal to Continental pilots is moot.

It seems that UAL had to remove aircraft whether it merged with CAL or USAir thus making it hard to fight for the career expectations of many of UAL pilots since it had to lose many airplanes in order to merge and survive. Thus over 1400 pilots had to lose their jobs and career progression for the survival of UAL, making their career expectation nubulous at best.

On the other hand CAL was the right size airline and was not needing to remove any aircraft in order to merge and survive thus guaranteeing the career expectations of its pilots.

Originally Posted by Carolsdanger

Where have you been over the past 3 years when JP and the CAL MEC were out creating this atmosphere of dis-trust. You weren't worried about unity then and playing the great united today won't fly.
Move along!!!!!

Originally Posted by Carolsdanger

You guys just don't like to be corrected and put in your place. What have you done except beat your gums and chomp at the bit for the next union action. There will be no repeat of '83. Name calling and personal attacks will do you no good. When I go to work, I know I'm a UAL pilot and you cal types can't do nothing about it. Keep you chin up and eyes foward the cal way of life is changing.

Originally Posted by Carolsdanger

Keep you chin up and eyes foward the cal way of life is changing.

Originally Posted by Carolsdanger

You may be the only one. Most don't even want to admit ever working for CAL but that's understandable.

Originally Posted by 13n144e

I tell people I work for UAL and when I get the inevitable look of derision I quickly add that I'm a former CAL pilot. Happens every time...

Originally Posted by Carolsdanger

If you're referring to the minimum standards we now strive for, I guess we did see some changes in the UAL way.

Was cal the only airline that would give you an interview?

Originally Posted by Carolsdanger

That's good most cal types don't even look the passengers in the eye.