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08-13-2013, 02:46 PM

#31

Blockoutblockin

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Originally Posted by jsled

Still in "remedy" negotiations. Look for a contract tweek vs cash. That according to C33 officer in the meeting yesterday. The same C33 officer who laughed when asked if the "list already out" rumor was true. For the record, (and on the record) he denied the list rumor.

Lmao, you really are naive.

08-13-2013, 02:48 PM

#32

jsled

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Originally Posted by Blockoutblockin

Lmao, you really are naive.

yeah. Whatever. Tell you what know-it-all, if it's out tell us something about it.....that's what I thought. You are the one who is naive, believing every rumor you hear.

08-13-2013, 02:51 PM

#33

LeeMat

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jsled

Still in "remedy" negotiations. Look for a contract tweek vs cash. That according to C33 officer in the meeting yesterday. The same C33 officer who laughed when asked if the "list already out" rumor was true. For the record, (and on the record) he denied the SLI list rumor.

Wow this J. Pierce guy is genius, he gets his pilots PS and contract improvements out of thin air...This guy is better than DUBO himself.

08-13-2013, 02:55 PM

#34

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Originally Posted by LeeMat

Wow this J. Pierce guy is genius, he gets his pilots PS and contract improvements out of thin air...This guy is better than DUBO himself.

Remember, we only won the "violated the TPA" grievance, not the "CAL PS shorted us" grievance. At least so far. Would be tough to get cash out of that one.

Sled

08-13-2013, 07:14 PM

#35

Slats Extend

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Originally Posted by Carolsdanger

I can see Heppner letting that happen. I guess the continued rumor that UAL MEC are a bunch of Boy Scouts is true.

How can they justify sharing. For the guys that were affected and only a few years to go till retirement there is no way a contract improvement will compensate them.

Those guys got their compensation by flying the top equipment for 5 extra years that none of the rest of us will not experience. That is, until the retirement age gets changed again....

08-13-2013, 09:37 PM

#36

Dave Fitzgerald

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Yes, there will be a temporary downsizing of the 757 base in SFO. However, once ISL is complete, there is a lot of CO 757 flying in SFO that really needs a base. This flying will shift to the combined list, and I bet that the 757 flying in SFO will stabilize after we fly each other's planes. Might take a while, but I'd bet the number of positions will end up about the same as today.

08-13-2013, 10:02 PM

#37

davessn763

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Originally Posted by jsled

Oh, they saw it. They also saw UCH order 50 737-900ERs last July to replace the 757s. So you could say they are coming to the UAL side, using your logic.

Sled

Well if those were ordered for you guys at l-UAL doesn't that un right size you for the merger and would affect your SLI argument about the guys that got furloughed when the 737's were parked? Or maybe parking the 757 was extended right sizing for the merger and you guys should get even more career expectation and longevity credit for further right sizing?

I think that's what I'm gonna like about working with the LUAL guys, you guys can put a positive spin on anything like parking mainline aircraft and adding rj's is a good thing for career expectations. I like working with upbeat people.

08-13-2013, 10:08 PM

#38

Probe

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Assuming it is done, what is the rationale for ALPA to sit on it till after labor day? Who gains other than more CAL pilots get training dates?

08-13-2013, 10:29 PM

#39

Lerxst

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The Arbs haven't yet summoned the 2 "specialists" from both sides to construct the list within their decided upon framework. We are still weeks away from the order and award.

08-13-2013, 10:45 PM

#40

LAX Pilot

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Originally Posted by davessn763

Well if those were ordered for you guys at l-UAL doesn't that un right size you for the merger....

Maybe. Then we can add back in the status and category of another 700 narrowbody Captains, and remove all the "furloughed" status and category pilots.

But the UAL side didn't try to make that stretch. They brought it up as reference. I'd be SHOCKED to see the arbitrators not mention that in their decision.

Actually, in NWA/DAL the statement "mergers do not happen in a vacuum" was used to explain why Katz proposal wasn't valid compared to Freund, who won that integration.