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11-20-2013, 02:06 PM
#421
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You mean an example like that?
Or the scab filled management at CAL while there are ZERO scabs at L-UAL in management positions.
Of course there are 8 times more scabs at CAL than UAL, even though CAL was a much smaller airline.
Less scabs, better contracts, better culture.
11-20-2013, 04:41 PM
#424
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Whenever I hear the lual pilots talk about how they are going to educate the cal folk, I am dumbfounded in that they don't seem to understand that they also need some education.
11-20-2013, 05:03 PM
#425
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I would like to join the ual culture that you describe, Snarge. I am Afraid that it doesn't exist today and hasn't for better than ten years. My hat is off to those that striked thirty years ago but that was their culture. We can't rest on their laurels forever.
Whenever I hear the lual pilots talk about how they are going to educate the cal folk, I am dumbfounded in that they don't seem to understand that they also need some education.
Whenever I hear the lual pilots talk about how they are going to educate the cal folk, I am dumbfounded in that they don't seem to understand that they also need some education.
Agreed, that is why I stated "I am not saying is total or there isn't room for improvement." I am fully aware of the United pilots failures.... But it isn't about paying your dues and popping popcorn... what are you going to do?
11-20-2013, 07:31 PM
#426
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It starts in 83 and 85. CAL lost, United won. Read Wooden Wings, a UAL MEC doc.
CAL management has integrated and rewarded scabs for strike breaking. They are retiring on the B787, the scabcab... they shouldn't even be there... those are union pilot jobs. It is so accepted as the norm that CAL ALPA allowed scabs into committee positions. Jay Pierce is a scab sympathizer... to the point where the 05-07 hires don't know any better... thankfully there are real CAL unionist among the ranks and I can only imagine their frustration over the years.
the IACP union, formed by scabs, took the management bait of being 'partners' with management and it occurred till last month. Its a scam. Look at the CAL union performance thru the JCBA and ISL. Pathetic. and the CAL guys are still in shock and recovering from the concussion of incompetence. Bromancing Bethune just plays into their never ending mantra of screwing labor. Whenever a CAL pilot tells me "you don't know this management" the translation is.... "I am powerless and I don't know how to fight back. My union is worthless and I'm owned"
At UAL there is a cadre of pilot managers that protect the pilot culture. If a United manager gets Stockholm syndrome and starts pushing a pilot to the company's whim, that pilot manager is reminded that he was on the pilot seniority list before he took he management job, and he'll be on it when he leaves the management job.
The UAL MEC committee positions are elected by the MEC... notice last month there was a wholesale cleansing of the committee structure.... in part that is how United owns and controls the pilot culture... as it should be. I am not saying is total or there isn't room for improvement. Yet all the APA does is issue bravado press statements and the DAL guys will sell grits on the streets of ATL before anything happens.
Should anyone else, besides the pilots, own and control their culture?
CAL management has integrated and rewarded scabs for strike breaking. They are retiring on the B787, the scabcab... they shouldn't even be there... those are union pilot jobs. It is so accepted as the norm that CAL ALPA allowed scabs into committee positions. Jay Pierce is a scab sympathizer... to the point where the 05-07 hires don't know any better... thankfully there are real CAL unionist among the ranks and I can only imagine their frustration over the years.
the IACP union, formed by scabs, took the management bait of being 'partners' with management and it occurred till last month. Its a scam. Look at the CAL union performance thru the JCBA and ISL. Pathetic. and the CAL guys are still in shock and recovering from the concussion of incompetence. Bromancing Bethune just plays into their never ending mantra of screwing labor. Whenever a CAL pilot tells me "you don't know this management" the translation is.... "I am powerless and I don't know how to fight back. My union is worthless and I'm owned"
At UAL there is a cadre of pilot managers that protect the pilot culture. If a United manager gets Stockholm syndrome and starts pushing a pilot to the company's whim, that pilot manager is reminded that he was on the pilot seniority list before he took he management job, and he'll be on it when he leaves the management job.
The UAL MEC committee positions are elected by the MEC... notice last month there was a wholesale cleansing of the committee structure.... in part that is how United owns and controls the pilot culture... as it should be. I am not saying is total or there isn't room for improvement. Yet all the APA does is issue bravado press statements and the DAL guys will sell grits on the streets of ATL before anything happens.
Should anyone else, besides the pilots, own and control their culture?
11-21-2013, 03:37 AM
#427
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Your points are valid and why Alpa is not a real union.
11-21-2013, 04:44 AM
#428
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Ok...quick question from a poolie...I have read the upa trying to get a head start but there is one area I am confused about...the dc(16%) is great but what happens if you make more than 100k...that maxes out the 401k and then the rest goes to the vrba retiree thing?are there any other options to put the excess money into a non qualified brokerage account? Or does it go towards that account only after the 401k maxes out?
This is more from my financial guy than from me...he is more curious than I am at this time...
This is more from my financial guy than from me...he is more curious than I am at this time...
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11-21-2013, 05:04 AM
#429
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Ok...quick question from a poolie...I have read the upa trying to get a head start but there is one area I am confused about...the dc(16%) is great but what happens if you make more than 100k...that maxes out the 401k and then the rest goes to the vrba retiree thing?are there any other options to put the excess money into a non qualified brokerage account? Or does it go towards that account only after the 401k maxes out?
This is more from my financial guy than from me...he is more curious than I am at this time...
This is more from my financial guy than from me...he is more curious than I am at this time...
11-21-2013, 05:35 AM
#430
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Ok...quick question from a poolie...I have read the upa trying to get a head start but there is one area I am confused about...the dc(16%) is great but what happens if you make more than 100k...that maxes out the 401k and then the rest goes to the vrba retiree thing?are there any other options to put the excess money into a non qualified brokerage account? Or does it go towards that account only after the 401k maxes out?
This is more from my financial guy than from me...he is more curious than I am at this time...
This is more from my financial guy than from me...he is more curious than I am at this time...
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