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12-08-2014, 09:45 AM
#2221
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
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The only backfills that are displayed on the snapshots are the ones that drop a category below the MIN number. The company is required to staff to the MIN level but can staff anywhere between the MIN and MAX. The company will decide what the final number of awarded seats will be so they will not post a backfill above the min number because it will effect the outcome of the entire bid.
Here is a perfect example to answer your question SFO 777 FO MAX 263 MIN 210. They posted 3 unpublished awards on the snap shot because 56 SFO 777 FOs bid out. dropping the category to 207.
So those 3 positions, as of the snap shot, must be awarded. Now, how deep they backfill is at their discretion, could be 10 could be 53 or anywhere in between. Either way the snapshots are useless when you have 50+ wide body FOs bid away in 1 bid. The entire dynamic of the award will be changed.
Here is a perfect example to answer your question SFO 777 FO MAX 263 MIN 210. They posted 3 unpublished awards on the snap shot because 56 SFO 777 FOs bid out. dropping the category to 207.
So those 3 positions, as of the snap shot, must be awarded. Now, how deep they backfill is at their discretion, could be 10 could be 53 or anywhere in between. Either way the snapshots are useless when you have 50+ wide body FOs bid away in 1 bid. The entire dynamic of the award will be changed.
12-08-2014, 09:45 AM
#2222
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 455
I do not believe that the the MIN or MAX numbers include SUP or LTA etc, but I am not 100% on that. My belief that it does not is based on the fact that when the Category Summary reports are generated they show the names of the SUP and LTA people, but do not include them in the total pilots staffed in the position.
12-08-2014, 10:25 AM
#2223
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 951
The only backfills that are displayed on the snapshots are the ones that drop a category below the MIN number. The company is required to staff to the MIN level but can staff anywhere between the MIN and MAX. The company will decide what the final number of awarded seats will be so they will not post a backfill above the min number because it will effect the outcome of the entire bid.
Here is a perfect example to answer your question SFO 777 FO MAX 263 MIN 210. They posted 3 unpublished awards on the snap shot because 56 SFO 777 FOs bid out. dropping the category to 207.
So those 3 positions, as of the snap shot, must be awarded. Now, how deep they backfill is at their discretion, could be 10 could be 53 or anywhere in between. Either way the snapshots are useless when you have 50+ wide body FOs bid away in 1 bid. The entire dynamic of the award will be changed.
Here is a perfect example to answer your question SFO 777 FO MAX 263 MIN 210. They posted 3 unpublished awards on the snap shot because 56 SFO 777 FOs bid out. dropping the category to 207.
So those 3 positions, as of the snap shot, must be awarded. Now, how deep they backfill is at their discretion, could be 10 could be 53 or anywhere in between. Either way the snapshots are useless when you have 50+ wide body FOs bid away in 1 bid. The entire dynamic of the award will be changed.
I am not sure what they are doing there, because they had previously communicated exactly what you described above as the process they would use and that only mandatory (below min staffing) backfills would be shown on snapshots.
So I am not sure what to make of the snapshot shown. ORD 320 CA has the same issue and there are prob others
I am hoping that it is an indicator of the fact that they have recognized the Mins they established are way to low and we are going to see a substantially larger number of bids awarded in the final bid to account for the necessary backfilling
12-08-2014, 10:46 AM
#2224
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: Gets weekends off
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The constraint is training. The reason they can't award all the backfills they know they need is because once they do, the clock starts ticking for bumps, pay, etc. So they intentionally set the min very low. If a bunch of people bid out of a training constrained fleet or a fleet that isn't fully staffed, they wait until a bid or two later, and then post a vacancy separately for that position.
12-08-2014, 11:06 AM
#2225
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 16
Why worry, your friends wouldn't have recommended you if they didn't think you were a good candidate!! Good Luck!Too Funny,
Not worried about the story or what they will say. I'm just trying to make sure they are expecting a call from an unusual #.
12-08-2014, 11:38 AM
#2226
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,202
Your description is exactly what I thought was supposed to happen. However, on the last Snapshot there are only 11 SFO 777 FOs that have bids elsewhere, yet they show 3 backfills???
I am not sure what they are doing there, because they had previously communicated exactly what you described above as the process they would use and that only mandatory (below min staffing) backfills would be shown on snapshots.
So I am not sure what to make of the snapshot shown. ORD 320 CA has the same issue and there are prob others
I am hoping that it is an indicator of the fact that they have recognized the Mins they established are way to low and we are going to see a substantially larger number of bids awarded in the final bid to account for the necessary backfilling
I am not sure what they are doing there, because they had previously communicated exactly what you described above as the process they would use and that only mandatory (below min staffing) backfills would be shown on snapshots.
So I am not sure what to make of the snapshot shown. ORD 320 CA has the same issue and there are prob others
I am hoping that it is an indicator of the fact that they have recognized the Mins they established are way to low and we are going to see a substantially larger number of bids awarded in the final bid to account for the necessary backfilling
So now my post is an in theory post
12-08-2014, 12:04 PM
#2227
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,361
Also, what is the difference between 756 & 76T? I though 757 & 767 were a single equipment bid for UAL- do I have that wrong?
12-08-2014, 12:13 PM
#2228
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 10
Looks like I'll be seeing you guys in class. Also, I wS told the same about the equipment split, but when I got the email it said Arbus/737. Assuming the phone call was the more current info, although I suppose that can all change between now and then.
Also, what is the difference between 756 & 76T? I though 757 & 767 were a single equipment bid for UAL- do I have that wrong?
Also, what is the difference between 756 & 76T? I though 757 & 767 were a single equipment bid for UAL- do I have that wrong?
I received a follow up email saying that they hadn't changed the aircraft from a previous class on the letter and it was indeed 756/Bus
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12-08-2014, 12:33 PM
#2229
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: 777
Posts: 2,173
765 bid position is LCO planes, 757-200 domestic and overwater and 767-400
76T bid is LUa 757-200 domestic, overwater, PS, ETOPS, and 767-300
You can switch between fleets using a bidding process, but you cannot fly the other planes once you bid on one side. Mainly the former UA bases fly 76T, and CO bases fly 756. IAH, LAX, and EWR have both 756 and 76T.
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