sonnycrockett

I have a friend (wrote an LOR) who interviewed on Thursday last week and got "the call" yesterday (Wednesday) for an October Class.

Commuter background 5000ish TT 1000 PIC 4 Year degree....etc...etc.

Just passing this along for the guys/gals on the outside.

mrmak2

Any indication on what aircraft/base assignments will be offered?

cadetdrivr

That's the easy one. Just watch the unfilled vacancies during equipment bids.

In this case, both sCAL and sUAL had unfilled vacancies in IAH and EWR during the most recent bids so thats where new hires will go. It will be mostly 737, with some 756, until UAL spools up A320 training. The lowest paying aircraft at the least desirable bases go junior.

mrmak2

Sorry, should have worded it better- I was wondering about that October class specifically. In other words are they already projecting the results of this bid based on the snapshot? I would imagine entire classes of 756 if that's the case

cadetdrivr

No, it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease and they will send new hires to where the need is the greatest AND where they have training availability. That means lots of 737 slots with 756 sprinkled in here and there.

The latest sCAL equipment bid (another snapshot should be out today, BTW) is mostly therorectical since its effective date is next year. Once the ISL is complete those without training dates will have their bids cancelled and the combined group will move forward using sUAL's system of vacancy bids. This last sCAL system bid is mostly checking the box for the previous sCAL contract (except for SFO) but it does provide insight where we can expect vacancies in the next year.

Also, with the phase-out of the domestic sUAL 757s there will be a cascade of former UAL 757 pilots that will have first crack at 756 slots if they desire it ahead of new hires

The actual class drops for October classes might not even be finalized yet and even if they are it's always subject to change anyway. Any new-hire expecting 737 in EWR or IAH has realistic expectations, IMHO.

Skyflyin

Technically that will be up to the decision of the arbitrators whether the awards will be cancelled or not, so they could remain as they did in the DAL/NWA merger. The rest of what you said sounds accurate.

cadetdrivr

I don't have it front of me, but I believe that both pilot groups have already agreed to cancel bids where training has not been scheduled as part of the SFO 737 MOU.

Edit: Found it, it is confirmed in the the MOU:

Upon ISL, all awarded, but not advanced (activated) positions for L-CAL and L-UAL pilots will be cancelled and rebid using Vacancy Bids and the UPA integrated seniority list. Any pilot whose award is cancelled under this provision will exercise displacement rights post SLI (a junior pilot matrix in all categories will be established). The following awards will not be cancelled:

1. Any award of a pilot who is in training, or has been scheduled for training via either an L-CAL Training Advancement Bid or an equivalent L-UAL Vacancy Award Training Plan

2. Any award that is past the effective date of the associated System or Vacancy Bid

3. Any award in which a the pilot is pay protected to that award

4. Any of the initial SFO 737 vacancies to be awarded by virtue of this MOU

jsled

You are both right (yourself and Skyflyin). The MOU spells out when/how bids will be cancelled, but also states that the Arb award will take precedence if there is a conflict. That said, the Arbs are unlikely to weigh in on something that is already agreed to, at least that is the opinion of my ALPA reps (C33 meeting). Only time will tell.

Sled

Skyflyin

Yes, but if you read down four more paragraphs it says:

"In the event that the decision and award of the SLI arbitration is in conflict with this agreement, the decision and award will prevail."

Please do try and read the full document before you post. That being said, it would not surprise me if they use this even though they are not supposed to be shown this MOU.

horrido27

As stated before.. since the 737 pays the least (700), expect that to be the junior aircraft going forward.
I'd also expect that at some point next year, they will also offer A320 classes too. The A319 is banded with the 737-7.
The chances of a smattering of 756 positions might also hold true.. but the unknown will be how many LUAL 757 drivers switch over to the new 756 category (ala old LCAL) vs. going to the 737.

Either way, I expect interviews and hiring to be non stop from here on out~

Good luck to all..
Motch

PS> The 756 category pays more based on a higher Blended Rate.