Profit Sharing Violation
06-19-2013, 04:31 PM
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If the whole PS thing had been properly handled at the time we (plural) could all have received pre-JCBA improvements that were on the front burner at the time.
Instead, the PS sharing fiasco disguised as a grievance settlement occurred with the associated loss of unity and leverage and now the UAL pilots should be grateful??? I don't think so---particularly considering the UAL MEC first had to win a food fight with the CAL MEC (i.e. JP) for the ability to even pursue the grievance in the first place.
06-19-2013, 04:55 PM
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If the whole PS thing had been properly handled at the time we (plural) could all have received pre-JCBA improvements that were on the front burner at the time. Instead, the PS sharing fiasco disguised as a grievance settlement occurred with the associated loss of unity and leverage...
Originally Posted by APC225 on 12/21/11
That's what happens when we try an end around our own CBA. For the sake of a pittance profit sharing check, UAL could be up to our pay rates AND their work rules, while we've got still OUR workrules.
The "career expectations" part of the SLI may have just changed dramatically too. We may have just traded away years of higher earnigs potential amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars for a $5000 check. CAL pilots negotiating. It's got to be an oxymoron or something.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ua...ibility-3.html, #83
The "career expectations" part of the SLI may have just changed dramatically too. We may have just traded away years of higher earnigs potential amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars for a $5000 check. CAL pilots negotiating. It's got to be an oxymoron or something.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ua...ibility-3.html, #83
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06-19-2013, 05:01 PM
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Unnecessary poking I guess. It seems the LUAL perception is that we (JP) played them whereas it seems JP played the company and now everyone's going to get money. As I said in an earlier post I think this cost all of us in the long run more than was gained.
06-19-2013, 05:24 PM
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I think you know I respect your opinions and trust your writings but I do think you are giving pierce to much credit for outfoxing anybody - He's not that smart - he was played by Jeff and company to help drive a bigger wedge between the two groups.
06-19-2013, 05:24 PM
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I was on mil leave during 2011, where is my profit sharing too? Maybe I should file a lawsuit.
06-19-2013, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by APC225 on 1/26/12
I know that on Valentines day, Jeff, Jay, Fred and his friends will be in a celebratory mood and we will all have an opportunity to view pictures of the uniforms holding the bags of cash. Hoping that we ignore the pictures and stay focused on the the bigger pot, an industry leading JCBA.
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06-19-2013, 07:08 PM
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LUAL pilots are likely to get a tidy--and unexpected sum--due to LCAL pilots getting profit sharing outside the scope of the TPA. The company was foolish enough to award it to LCAL pilots, now they may have to match that amount to the LUAL pilots.
The broad brush blames all LCAL pilots for Jay Pierce's profit sharing deal so I presume it will now also show appreciation for found money. No?
The broad brush blames all LCAL pilots for Jay Pierce's profit sharing deal so I presume it will now also show appreciation for found money. No?
06-19-2013, 07:20 PM
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Yes indeed.
Things were not going well (have they ever been?) and the company absolutely had to have that money shot and story of "the merger has been a success, the worst is over, see, everyone gets a check" on Valentine's Day It wasn't awarded based on a TPA interpretation or a side deal. It was a settlement of a grievance over the improper sale of some 757s. Since the planes were already gone, the settlement could only be punitive in cash. By JP's own words in a union conference call last Spring he said at the very best union would have received was one to two million dollars for harm done. So, the company settles a $2m grievance for $40m. What a great deal. Right. When has the company ever been that helpful to the pilot group. As I said at the time, WE had the leverage and should have said "you want to have a photo op of unity on Valentine's Day? Great. Negotiate in good faith NOW so we'll have a JCBA on Valentine's Day and we'll give all the photos you want."
Things were not going well (have they ever been?) and the company absolutely had to have that money shot and story of "the merger has been a success, the worst is over, see, everyone gets a check" on Valentine's Day It wasn't awarded based on a TPA interpretation or a side deal. It was a settlement of a grievance over the improper sale of some 757s. Since the planes were already gone, the settlement could only be punitive in cash. By JP's own words in a union conference call last Spring he said at the very best union would have received was one to two million dollars for harm done. So, the company settles a $2m grievance for $40m. What a great deal. Right. When has the company ever been that helpful to the pilot group. As I said at the time, WE had the leverage and should have said "you want to have a photo op of unity on Valentine's Day? Great. Negotiate in good faith NOW so we'll have a JCBA on Valentine's Day and we'll give all the photos you want."
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