SLI June 18th
06-25-2013, 05:35 AM
#151
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So why didn't your reps/MEC stop him, or out flank him? After all, you guys are the big bad unionists that all bow down too ... Or are you just miffed that you were out-maneuvered, played and accosted all at the same time? Or did you just think that our little scrappy club (of what?) was going to roll over like an addict who needed a quick fix?
06-25-2013, 06:00 AM
#152
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We get the not limited part...but clasping to that doesn't rid the shall include consideration of those "3 things".
06-25-2013, 06:23 AM
#153
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06-25-2013, 07:03 AM
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You are right, I did get mine and I deserve it. I think that me flying around as a mainline captain is true justice for the time spent at the regionals being junior and getting displaced from captain seats when I had to sit right seat for the pay for training scumbags that bought their jobs in the late 90s and now they are all junior to me at CAL and UAL.
You don't like it, oh well, deal with it. I really don't care if you don't like it either.
I am logging off, I have a long Miami layover and I am going to go test drive some Lambos while I am here.
You don't like it, oh well, deal with it. I really don't care if you don't like it either.
I am logging off, I have a long Miami layover and I am going to go test drive some Lambos while I am here.
My money's on him being troll who doesn't fly for either carrier. In any case, Staller and him are cut from the same cloth. I wonder if the ISP address is the same.
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06-25-2013, 07:05 AM
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ALPA merger policy was very similar when DAL/NWA had their SLI, except for the addition of longevity to be considered. When you look at their award, they used a stovepipe method. This was definitely a method outside the policy. There were references and inclusions of the merger policy items, but in the end, they used factors outside the items in the policy. Therefore, I firmly believe that although the merger items will be mentioned, weighted, and included, there will definitely be outside factors used. Hanging on to such a 'open ended' policy is setting up for failure.
06-25-2013, 07:38 AM
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ALPA merger policy was very similar when DAL/NWA had their SLI, except for the addition of longevity to be considered. When you look at their award, they used a stovepipe method. This was definitely a method outside the policy. There were references and inclusions of the merger policy items, but in the end, they used factors outside the items in the policy. Therefore, I firmly believe that although the merger items will be mentioned, weighted, and included, there will definitely be outside factors used. Hanging on to such a 'open ended' policy is setting up for failure.
06-25-2013, 08:17 AM
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Hint: stovepipe is not a method outside the policy---it's a technique to achieve the objectives of the policy. It has been commonly used during virtually all recent integrations because:
1) pre-merger lists can't be re-ordered
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2) all pilots do not consistently bid the largest aircraft (category) or seat (status) they can hold. Example: the majority of 777 FOs at both sUAL and sCAL that can hold 737/320 CA but don't.
All one has to do is read the transcripts from the UAL/CAL hearing to hear the lawyers and arbitrators constantly talking about a pilot's "entitlement" in reference to seniority. This is fancy lawyer speak for a given pilot's stovepiped seniority category/status.Has anybody actually noticed that both the UAL and CAL merger committees used the stovepipe technique to create their respective proposals?
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06-25-2013, 08:26 AM
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Except of course, when:
(Source: the actual law)
(1) if the same collective bargaining agent represents the combining crafts or classes at each of the covered air carriers, that collective bargaining agent’s internal policies regarding integration, if any, will not be affected by and will supersede the requirements of this section
(Source: the actual law)
06-25-2013, 08:58 AM
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From the UAL MEC:
As every United pilot knows, our airline’s circumstances during the first decade of the 2000s presented difficult facts in our case, which created unique challenges. Despite that reality, we remain confident that our proposal presented the only true roadmap for the Arbitration Board as they navigate through all of the evidence presented and reach what we expect to be a fair and equitable result.
What a difference between the two merger committees.
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