Scott Stoops

This is the kind of post that doesn't need to happen. It adds nothing to the discussion and creates disunity. I understand the need to throw punches from time to time (I know I have), but labeling the entire UAL group as arrogant asses is not better than others from the UAL side saying the CAL side is a bunch of SCABS. It just simply isn't true. Have your personal war with whoever you want, but please don't label "everyone" anything. Just a waste of time and accomplishes nothing.

That said, I haven't done my part in calling out anyone to this point - CAL or UAL. It does seem unfair that I'd call out you. I just don't understand making all of this crap personal. Neither airline was failing. Each brought parts of their business model that clearly make sense to leverage. When a pilot from either side makes enormous generalizations (as in attacks to a whole pilot group) or states that either company was going out of business or that we saved the other side, you've basically taken yourself out of having a real discussion about anything logically. We're better than this garbage bickering about nonsense generalizations and character defamation.

Scott

ExE3toUAL

Kind of interesting to see what I have been hired into......kind of making me nervous too. I sure hope this animosity dies in August or whenever the SLI is finalized. Glad my availability for training is not until Oct when I pray this madness is over with. Otherwise....I guess mil leave is always an option.

Staller

Larry - That's the mentality we see from your side more often than not. The UAL MEC extended an olive branch and your leadership immediately started trying to wack them with it. I agree there is only one way to deal with this attitude. pierce and the cal MEC did more harm for unity than the company ever could. Why didn't you control your LEC's and mc - it was your responsibility?

Staller

MIL leave is a good option and I would keep my DAL application current. This is not going to end anytime soon. Could go on for a career -

Staller

The best was probably treating the cal MEC with respect. It didn't take long for your boys to go public against the UAL guys with the training issues Fred imposed. Barron's insistence on "pay banding" trying to rig SLI in JCBA grab. It goes on................... But you know all this - right? Don't rehash when you know the answer.

Ben Salley

Welcome Aboard! Call your Rep and get the real skinny. The information/opinions expressed on this board is so far removed from reality that, if I were a new-hire, I'd actually consider canceling membership for 6 months or so, as to enjoy your new career. If you get based in IAH, be sure to give me a call.

Frats,

Ben
412/716-8208

Staller

Heavy hitters showing up - blood letting?

Ben is a good guy but keep in mind he is a cal LEC rep and just about everything he says will have a cal bias.

Scott Stoops

IMHO, they've gamed everything. That is Pierce's MO. Always has been. He is a political creature that will sell his and your soul for a couple of pieces of silver. Go ahead, hitch your wagon to that horse.

You can't possibly be typing that with a straight face, right?

Come on Larry. Your side actually proposed to staple the bottom 2500 UAL pilots despite the fact that we have 3 times as many widebodies - 52 777's, 25 747's, more 767's and twice as many widebody orders as either growth or replacements. We're the one's grabbing seniority? Have you looked at the NWA/DAL agreement? How about ALPA merger policy? Familiar with any of the transcripts of the arbitration?

Scott

Ben Salley

Thanks Staller...I think.

The new-hires have no dog in this fight, but they will in the next. At 43, I highly doubt this will be my last merger. The new guys will be a very valuable asset to US in that next endeavor. We should leave them out of the fight, which is pretty much over, and encourage them to take very unemotional notes to be referenced in the future. They sit on the jumpseat and have a vantage point that I envy right now. They're observations will be very valuable, as will the un-jaded Uhire's, come the next fight.

Frats,

Ben

Regularguy

"The COMPANY violated it's contract with sUAL."

While this statement sounds kind of weird it does fit into my opinion of UAL management post merger. I believe (there's appears to also be evidence) they, Management, felt one of the options was to operate TWO subsidiaries and eventually eliminate one of them. They played up to the JP and hard balled Wendy and JH, which in in my opinion shows where they were headed.

The giving of the contractually illegal $40 mill. was part of their play.

Looking forward to seeing how this will be resolved in the award.