Staller

That's where you are very wrong. The LINE PILOTS will determine what happens to the combined pilot group going forward. You can steal, cheat and lie but ultimately you are doing those things to yourself because everybody else knows you for your deeds not your words.
I'm surprised you didn't use the "It's business not personal" to justify your actions.

Maxepr1

Yeah Staller and Unity!!! Now thats funny.....

Staller

I figured you like that - I actually wrote it for the cal guys that don't understand the concept of unity.

Maxepr1

We Understand Charity, something you guys need and feel you are owed.....Especially you staller....

LeeMat

Peter, I some how feel that most CAL pilots have a hard time wrapping their head around the fact that without the merger, the above would not have been the case. No LAX, No DEN and No ORD equals no movement. The progression from the much awaited Age 65 retirements which started this past Dec 12th 2012, would not have the same positive effect on your movement as opening three new domiciles. Something CAL had not done in over 20 years. To try and use post merger gains to enhance your position is not going to fly. Never mind that most of the new B737 flying for CAL out of LAX, DEN, ORD is not really new flying to United.

LeeFXDWG

Motch,

Yeah, I agree it can get convoluted when one tries to think about the variables you discuss.

To answer the question about me, yes, I'm a LUAL guy that took a vol furlough. I bypassed on the CAL offer over a year before deciding to come back. I'm IAH 737. I was in the first group of 30 or so to get the LUAL recall in Jan. I bypassed that for too many reasons, and yes, am staying on the CAL side of the op until SLI when I will basically be considered as accepting recall. At that point I'll look at the result of the SLI, and progress with whatever the outcome of the combined list provides for time I have left.

The training issues you bring up are certainly a problem. New BES such as SFO would have to be administered under the guidance of the CBA and offered to active pilots before being available to a recall as an unfilled vacancy. Obviously, this will all happen in CCS as that "merger" goes forward. Really should be transparent. Smaller but more frequent bids is all. They will, however, under the new (to CAL) process have hard activation dates (like 3 or 4 months from award) that if not met results in certain options for the pilot.

One thing is certain....there"s gonna be a lot of training going on with retirements, fleet replacement, potential new BES, etc.

Glad I'm just a line puke.

Cheers,
Lee

Staller

I was trying to be nice but I guess in your case it's a no go. For your sake let's make ONE thing clear. The UAL pilots put together a seniority list that was more than generous to the cal guys and what did you do? From the onset you started trying to steal. It's a good thing this is being arbitrated or we'd just give you what you deserve - which is ???????.

Maxepr1

Lee, I think your wrong.... Even without those bases we would have grown... Those airplanes were coming people were retiring. Lax would have been open already.... How can you as an outsider make a call as to what was happening here? Answer that....Stop patting yourself on your back... United was not the greatest thing to happen to CAL. When and how would your growth have started? If ever? 2016 with your 350's? 78's? Time to get over it, accept reality....How many guys did we hire from your side before dec 2012? Quite a bit more than your so called expansion in Den and our huge ORD base. All the positives on this side are getting killed by your "whats mine is mine and whats yours is mine " mantra.... Are you going to be happy with the fences? I am it's actually a good thing.... Look like the only new expansion will be at the SLI. Your welcome glad we could help you out....

Staller

cal would be lucky to be alive without UAL.

gettinbumped

That's as ridiculous as when CAL argues that UAL wouldn't have survived without the merger... and I'm a UAL guy.