Rebuttal Hearings - Day 1
06-12-2013, 03:26 PM
#21
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You guys just want to stir stuff up - You do know the airline industry still speaks poorly of your group and wonders why the UAL side treated you like brothers. You will have a **** career - it's one thing to be deserving and have respect - totally different when you don't. Move along as your 80's hires do!
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06-12-2013, 03:37 PM
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March 2013? HAHA. Are you talking about the AMR/AAA merger? Whatever you say there, skippy. Our merger was announced in May, and closed on Oct 1 of 2010. After that we were governed by a common Board of Directors with a common CEO. I really don't care what your Merger Committee is trying to argue. Go take a look at the snapshot date used in past mergers. March 2013....you funny.
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I'm planning on everyone to be just a bit upset, and that will be fair. We will live with it, be professional and move on...
06-12-2013, 03:56 PM
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I'd totally take my full longevity and be senior to everyone will less longevity, and call it a deal and move on.
06-12-2013, 04:00 PM
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I won't repeat everything I've written but if you guys weren't acting like the early 80's hires we wouldn't be having this discussion.
06-12-2013, 04:04 PM
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Funny how that is the exact same observation that I have of you. Seniority is a numerical sequence of where a pilot stands in relation to his peers. This number allows a pilot to bid for equipment, bases, vacations, weekends off, etc. Longevity is how long a pilot has been employed and is used to determine such things as pass travel and pay scale. As you state, they are different. Not only are they different, but they are also separate. To use longevity to claim seniority makes as much sense as using seniority to claim longevity.
06-12-2013, 04:14 PM
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If we get full credit for longevity (i.e. DOH) who cares about the snapshot date. Your MC proposed putting me equal to pilots hired 11 years after me, mine only 2 years after me.
I'd totally take my full longevity and be senior to everyone will less longevity, and call it a deal and move on.
I'd totally take my full longevity and be senior to everyone will less longevity, and call it a deal and move on.
Longevity is time on property, correct? With your answer, you just sold 95% of your furloughs down the river! So much for your true union stance that you preach about; I got mine...
06-12-2013, 04:33 PM
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As of the merger date in 2010, a substantial number of UA furloughees have more active service longevity than any CAL pilot hired after 9/11 and some UA furloughees have more than some CAL pilots hired pre 9/11 due to the longer time on furlough the CAL pilots experienced.
06-12-2013, 04:35 PM
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Not quite.
As of the merger date in 2010, a substantial number of UA furloughees have more active service longevity than any CAL pilot hired after 9/11 and some UA furloughees have more than some CAL pilots hired pre 9/11 due to the longer time on furlough the CAL pilots experienced.
As of the merger date in 2010, a substantial number of UA furloughees have more active service longevity than any CAL pilot hired after 9/11 and some UA furloughees have more than some CAL pilots hired pre 9/11 due to the longer time on furlough the CAL pilots experienced.
06-12-2013, 04:38 PM
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Oh a 2013 list....that's even funnier.
After reading as many ISL awards as possible, I have great respect for the latitude the arbs have and their application of (then) current policy. Thus, I respect that there are numerous plausible "fair" outcomes in our case.
I have yet to read one, however, that used a date three years after merger closing.
After reading as many ISL awards as possible, I have great respect for the latitude the arbs have and their application of (then) current policy. Thus, I respect that there are numerous plausible "fair" outcomes in our case.
I have yet to read one, however, that used a date three years after merger closing.
06-12-2013, 04:51 PM
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Oh a 2013 list....that's even funnier.
After reading as many ISL awards as possible, I have great respect for the latitude the arbs have and their application of (then) current policy. Thus, I respect that there are numerous plausible "fair" outcomes in our case.
I have yet to read one, however, that used a date three years after merger closing.
After reading as many ISL awards as possible, I have great respect for the latitude the arbs have and their application of (then) current policy. Thus, I respect that there are numerous plausible "fair" outcomes in our case.
I have yet to read one, however, that used a date three years after merger closing.
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