SEDPA

No sir, this was not a one MEC show ... both MECs are responsible for where we are today, and both groups share in the pain and lack of gains ... remember the UAL tantrums w/regards to paybanding/profit sharing/W2 data/new domiciles/etc,etc,etc ... just as you are not happy with our JP, many CAL guys are disgusted at the "nice little national airline"/"you are not worthy of a seat at the big table" mentality that seems to pervade the UAL group ... so the disdain cuts both ways.

Staller

I'll take exception to that - nobody ever called cal a "nice little national airline" they called it "just a regional airline" or "Big RJ outfit" and the reference to seat at the big table was coined to counter your jp childish actions. Nobody wants to hurt the cal pilots but when you refuse to hold those that represent accountable, we have to assume you approve of their actions - this we will hold YOU accountable.

jsled

And where are the 737-300/500s? 767-200s? Were they not replaced by the new 737s and 787s? Your a/c totals are virtually the same now as at MAD. Sounds like replacement aircraft to me. Apples to apples.

Sled

cadetdrivr

This.

Of course, I guess we could also just call all the UAL orders "growth" aircraft, despite evidence to the contrary, and call it good?

Apples-to-Apples and all.

intrepidcv11

So again I ask this question, why would Sismek have given us an acceptable JCBA during the three years JP 'stalled' negotiations? The company's opener was old DAL contract with up to 250 95 seat jets I believe. Do you believe 50%+1 would of voted yes from something negotiated from that turd?

By assigning the blame to the CAL side for the 3 year delay you are making it a given that this management team was ready to give us a fair deal prior to DAL 2012!?! That is quite an argument sir. Sure blame JP some, but this blanket 3 year delay accusation ignores the reality of who was in the other side of the negotiating table.

horrido27

Almost correct-
Since I've been keeping an eye on it (07),
Continental has taken delivery of two Triple 7's, four 75-300's and and even number of 737NG's to replace all the 737-300/500's.

Unfortunately, due to the merger and Boeing's screw up.. we have seen our 78's delayed and our 76-2's sold. What is interesting is that the 76-2's were never touted to be "replaced" by the 78's.
From the beginning, the 787's were called Growth Aircraft- "To open new markets".

At the beginning of 2010, CAL listed 347 mainline aircraft. At merger announcement AND merger date, we had 350 aircraft. Since then, it's gotten harder to keep track of aircraft numbers but it seems that there has been an increase of 737's.
At the time of merger, the 737 fleet stood at 238. All models.
Now, the fleet stands at 240 ish... (and expected to reach 252 at year end)

Combined, on Oct '10 we had 708 mainline aircraft. To date we have 702. End of this year we should have 690!

you can come up with your own answer for why.. but the facts show that before merger, CAL had a fleet plan that showed growth and replacement aircraft.. in the near term as well as going out 3-5 years.

If you are so sure of your facts, then I suggest that you relay that to your MC and they bring it into evidence. Our side did a pretty good job of explaining our fleet.

I should be there on Tuesday. Look forward to hearing it.

Motch

jsled

Motch, that 252 number of 737s you just mentioned. Does it include the 737-900ERs starting in August for the 1 for 1 replacement of sUAL aircraft? It kinda gets mixed up, eh?

From the June Flt Ops Update.....

As United continues to retire L-UAL 757s , L-CAL continues to take delivery of 737s.
When does L-UAL start receiving the replacement 737s as promised
on a one-for-one replacement basis?

We expect these deliveries to begin in August, and anticipate
receiving two aircraft per month between August and
December 2013. Then, in 2014, we currently have 16 deliveries
scheduled* in the first half of the year (three per month
in January, February, March, April, May, and one delivery
in June).

horrido27

It is confusing..
The latest Fleet Plan shows 6 new 73's showing up in 3rd Q and 6 in 4th Q. Also shows 75-2's leaving all through the year (2-2-7-13).

When the order for the next batch of 73 was placed last year (July 2012), I asked the question if these were from our original order, ie options from that order. I was told (by someone from my union) that it was a new order for the LUAL Side.

But the kicker was- that 50 of them will be for the LUAL Side (as 75 replacements) and then once the remaining 100 (737 Max) show up, it's for the combined side. This was (of course) while we were still under the TPA and had not yet gotten to the stage we are at now.

It is interesting that we are heading into the 3rd Quarter and there is still no 737 training program set up for the LUAL Side (that I am aware of).
So I do not know if these 6 737NG's that are coming in 3rd Q are for which side?!
Throw in the rumor of the SFO 737 base and we see just how dysfunctional our management team is with regards to this stuff.
And unfortunately, both pilot groups are caught in the middle.

But getting back to the SLI, it will be up to the Arbitrators to determine the worth of those 73's and what they mean (or meant) for career expectations for the CAL Side of the argument.

Motch

PS> The latest Fleet plan also shows only 23 747's on the rooster, and an additional 2 more 787's in the 4th Q. Not sure about 2014.. but I thought I remembered reading something about 10 showing up. Either way, a sizable number should be online by the beginning of 2015, which was the timetable for your (LUAL) 78's?!

As a group- the sooner we get more of them online, the better! Guess we'll also know about a new order for 787-10's and A350's sometime this week at the Paris Airshow?!

Staller

No you can't blame pierce for all the delays because the UAL side said absolutely not when the company and pierce were trying to sell the "old cal contract"+Delta pay rates and a dollar. The UAL side delayed until pierce finally realized that the "old cal contract" would not work. The UAL side got nothing out of this contract but our MEC made sure that pierce didn't give away the contract we currently had just so pierce could gain favor with the company.

Did you pay any attention to what was going on during JCBA negotiations?

Moombabeach

I've flown our "RJs" non stop from EWR to HGK, you gotta admit that's good range for a regional jet!!