L-United Furlough Number
06-03-2013, 07:44 PM
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Back to the original question.
"A total of 52 previously furloughed pilots returned to active service at UAL. 1327 of our fellow pilots remain furloughed and we continue to focus our efforts on returning them to their rightful place in United cockpits as soon as possible."
What Lee said, and, an offer of employment at L-Cal is not recall at L-UAL. It is a new hire job. Eventhough many are working at Cal, they are still not recalled at L-UAL. Once SLI is complete, new hires must stop until all L-UAL pilots have been offered recall. They may still bypass. When that list is completed, new hires may resume under the combined SLI.
Yet to be determined is whether management will try to continue new hires to fill classes, while they manage the furlough list. If they do not want another fight on their hands, this should probably have been be sorted out, oh, about last Jan. As you can see, managament is once again, too late with too little.
"A total of 52 previously furloughed pilots returned to active service at UAL. 1327 of our fellow pilots remain furloughed and we continue to focus our efforts on returning them to their rightful place in United cockpits as soon as possible."
What Lee said, and, an offer of employment at L-Cal is not recall at L-UAL. It is a new hire job. Eventhough many are working at Cal, they are still not recalled at L-UAL. Once SLI is complete, new hires must stop until all L-UAL pilots have been offered recall. They may still bypass. When that list is completed, new hires may resume under the combined SLI.
Yet to be determined is whether management will try to continue new hires to fill classes, while they manage the furlough list. If they do not want another fight on their hands, this should probably have been be sorted out, oh, about last Jan. As you can see, managament is once again, too late with too little.
06-03-2013, 08:02 PM
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Back to the original question.
"A total of 52 previously furloughed pilots returned to active service at UAL. 1327 of our fellow pilots remain furloughed and we continue to focus our efforts on returning them to their rightful place in United cockpits as soon as possible."
What Lee said, and, an offer of employment at L-Cal is not recall at L-UAL. It is a new hire job. Eventhough many are working at Cal, they are still not recalled at L-UAL. Once SLI is complete, new hires must stop until all L-UAL pilots have been offered recall. They may still bypass. When that list is completed, new hires may resume under the combined SLI.
Yet to be determined is whether management will try to continue new hires to fill classes, while they manage the furlough list. If they do not want another fight on their hands, this should probably have been be sorted out, oh, about last Jan. As you can see, managament is once again, too late with too little.
"A total of 52 previously furloughed pilots returned to active service at UAL. 1327 of our fellow pilots remain furloughed and we continue to focus our efforts on returning them to their rightful place in United cockpits as soon as possible."
What Lee said, and, an offer of employment at L-Cal is not recall at L-UAL. It is a new hire job. Eventhough many are working at Cal, they are still not recalled at L-UAL. Once SLI is complete, new hires must stop until all L-UAL pilots have been offered recall. They may still bypass. When that list is completed, new hires may resume under the combined SLI.
Yet to be determined is whether management will try to continue new hires to fill classes, while they manage the furlough list. If they do not want another fight on their hands, this should probably have been be sorted out, oh, about last Jan. As you can see, managament is once again, too late with too little.
06-03-2013, 09:41 PM
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Ok - you want to play this game! I didn't know Ben Salley was anything other than a pilot representing the IAH pilot group. He recently authored a "Blast Mail" attacking UAL furloughed working at cal.
You want to bring race into it - have at it. It's not there but you can manufactor it if you want. I'll standby by my record on this - don't dig yourself a hole -
You want to bring race into it - have at it. It's not there but you can manufactor it if you want. I'll standby by my record on this - don't dig yourself a hole -
Staller and I have pm banter going on. His pm demeanor is a lot more personable. I have no doubts that he wasn't going down that ugly path, in my 20+ years of commercial flying, no one has gone down that path with me.
Although less entertaining, Staller has been polite and cordial in our pm's. Once we get past this, I'd like to meet the man and have a beer or two; I hope we ALL can in the not too distant future.
-Ben
06-04-2013, 04:36 AM
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Once the SLI is presented to management, aren't those who are on the L-CAL side now recalled, and I thought the UPA states that those still out are to then be considered as voluntary furloughs ... meaning, it's a mute point after SLI ... if you are still out on furlough, you call when you want to come back, and if there is an open position, you can come back?? Or let me guess, another TBD by the JIT.
The first part of your post is correct. Those currently on the CAL side are effectively recalled when the switch gets flipped on with the SLI.
Anyone not currently flying on the CAL side sees no change in status from all I've read. To date, any furlough that has been recalled and bypassed has a ten year clock (from original furlough date) running to ask to return. If a furlough hasn't received a recall, they are still furloughed with the same clock running.
I think folks confuse the fact that all furloughs were given a job offer on the CAL side as being recalled. Two separate situations.
The day SLI is activated, there will no longer be l-CAL/l-UAL with regards to pilots. Recalls will have to resume to cover any pilot requirements before they could continue with off the street hiring going forward.
I, for one, don't think it will take long to run through the remaining furloughs in a recall process, but they will have to at the SLI activation.
Frats,
Lee
06-04-2013, 04:45 AM
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All concerned:
Staller and I have pm banter going on. His pm demeanor is a lot more personable. I have no doubts that he wasn't going down that ugly path, in my 20+ years of commercial flying, no one has gone down that path with me.
Although less entertaining, Staller has been polite and cordial in our pm's. Once we get past this, I'd like to meet the man and have a beer or two; I hope we ALL can in the not too distant future.
-Ben
Staller and I have pm banter going on. His pm demeanor is a lot more personable. I have no doubts that he wasn't going down that ugly path, in my 20+ years of commercial flying, no one has gone down that path with me.
Although less entertaining, Staller has been polite and cordial in our pm's. Once we get past this, I'd like to meet the man and have a beer or two; I hope we ALL can in the not too distant future.
-Ben
IMHO, this thread really went off the rails compared to the first paragraph of the first post.
06-04-2013, 06:28 AM
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Steven-
This is not a game. Those were your words, the ones that you penned.....Nothing "manufactured" (as opposed to your coined spelling) about it.
Keep standing by your record, the one that we all love and don't respect.
BTW....The phone continues to ring....Your village is eagerly awaiting your arrival.
This is not a game. Those were your words, the ones that you penned.....Nothing "manufactured" (as opposed to your coined spelling) about it.
Keep standing by your record, the one that we all love and don't respect.
BTW....The phone continues to ring....Your village is eagerly awaiting your arrival.
Just in case anyone finds it relevant, I'm Caucasian and have a European lineage (English & French)
06-04-2013, 06:40 AM
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06-04-2013, 06:42 AM
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Back to the original question.
"A total of 52 previously furloughed pilots returned to active service at UAL. 1327 of our fellow pilots remain furloughed and we continue to focus our efforts on returning them to their rightful place in United cockpits as soon as possible."
What Lee said, and, an offer of employment at L-Cal is not recall at L-UAL. It is a new hire job. Eventhough many are working at Cal, they are still not recalled at L-UAL. Once SLI is complete, new hires must stop until all L-UAL pilots have been offered recall. They may still bypass. When that list is completed, new hires may resume under the combined SLI.
Yet to be determined is whether management will try to continue new hires to fill classes, while they manage the furlough list. If they do not want another fight on their hands, this should probably have been be sorted out, oh, about last Jan. As you can see, managament is once again, too late with too little.
"A total of 52 previously furloughed pilots returned to active service at UAL. 1327 of our fellow pilots remain furloughed and we continue to focus our efforts on returning them to their rightful place in United cockpits as soon as possible."
What Lee said, and, an offer of employment at L-Cal is not recall at L-UAL. It is a new hire job. Eventhough many are working at Cal, they are still not recalled at L-UAL. Once SLI is complete, new hires must stop until all L-UAL pilots have been offered recall. They may still bypass. When that list is completed, new hires may resume under the combined SLI.
Yet to be determined is whether management will try to continue new hires to fill classes, while they manage the furlough list. If they do not want another fight on their hands, this should probably have been be sorted out, oh, about last Jan. As you can see, managament is once again, too late with too little.
On that subject, I don't see where there is any room for the company to employ much interpretation other than the face value of the agreement(s) in place.
God only knows when the SLI will be released to the company to activate. Yeah, it will be done in Aug (or is it Sept), but Nat'l has to endorse and release it if I'm not mistaken. I think US Air/AWA was held back for like 6 months after the Nic award.
At any rate, whenever that date occurs, there is only a single list of pilots at that time. I can't find anything that gives any leeway on the fact that furloughs have 1st right of refusal on any pilot positions available.
Again, I really don't think it will take long to run through the list (takers, bypassers, & MIL inclusive), but they will have to do it IMO.
I know guys and gals that are at SWA, doing other things, etc., that really have no intention of returning. Doesn't mean they don't have the right to receive the offer regardless of their decision.
Frats,
Lee
06-04-2013, 07:01 AM
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Lee,
Agreed. Thanks for keeping it friendly.
Also however, in regards to recalls after SLI, I wouldn't put it past the company to try to continue new hires before all furloughs are recalled. Their planning problem, not ours.
Know and enforce the contract, insist on it!
Agreed. Thanks for keeping it friendly.
Also however, in regards to recalls after SLI, I wouldn't put it past the company to try to continue new hires before all furloughs are recalled. Their planning problem, not ours.
Know and enforce the contract, insist on it!
06-04-2013, 08:22 AM
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Once the SLI is presented to management, aren't those who are on the L-CAL side now recalled, and I thought the UPA states that those still out are to then be considered as voluntary furloughs ... meaning, it's a mute point after SLI ... if you are still out on furlough, you call when you want to come back, and if there is an open position, you can come back?? Or let me guess, another TBD by the JIT.
The UPA....LOA25....says we are vol furloughs only as it pertains to line hour scheduling...another give to the company.
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