L-United Furlough Number
06-03-2013, 06:05 AM
#31
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Yup. The variable, IMHO, will be the SLI.
If it's a positive outcome for the furloughees more will return sooner, if it's the opposite we'll probably see fewer ever return. The mere fact that only a little above 1/3 are "back on property" today at either sCAL or sUAL gives a good indication of the employability of the group as a whole and the desirableness of being on the bottom when one has the qualifications, or resources, for other options.
If it's a positive outcome for the furloughees more will return sooner, if it's the opposite we'll probably see fewer ever return. The mere fact that only a little above 1/3 are "back on property" today at either sCAL or sUAL gives a good indication of the employability of the group as a whole and the desirableness of being on the bottom when one has the qualifications, or resources, for other options.
Makes sense to me. I have a buddy that is a furloughee and he is waiting to see the SLI results before coming back.
Hopefully the SLI is something both sides can live with and those who want/can come back will and off the street hiring will continue.
06-03-2013, 06:13 AM
#32
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06-03-2013, 06:14 AM
#33
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When the TPA was agreed to both airlines had guys on furlough - This was a 2 way street to protect both pilot groups. So you know what you can do with the olive branch comment -----
You guys need to sleep more and quit coming up with this stuff - a UAL guy working at cal cannot improve his senority position relative to other UAL guys and cal's regional guys can't improve their senority relative to the regular cal guys.
This argument is due to the cal guys trying to stuff the top of the list with manufactured dates for the RJ guys, like pierce an company. Thus avoiding UAL guys with more actual senority from being placed in front of them on the combined list. You are right about one thing - you can't have it both ways.
Believe it or not the Furloughed United guys have the same recall rights at the New United that they had at the old United - Sorry!
You guys need to sleep more and quit coming up with this stuff - a UAL guy working at cal cannot improve his senority position relative to other UAL guys and cal's regional guys can't improve their senority relative to the regular cal guys.
This argument is due to the cal guys trying to stuff the top of the list with manufactured dates for the RJ guys, like pierce an company. Thus avoiding UAL guys with more actual senority from being placed in front of them on the combined list. You are right about one thing - you can't have it both ways.
Believe it or not the Furloughed United guys have the same recall rights at the New United that they had at the old United - Sorry!
06-03-2013, 06:18 AM
#35
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From the Transition and Process Agreement:
7-B. Job Opportunities.
(i) If either Continental or United intends to hire new Pilots, it will first offer
employment to fill such positions in seniority order to Pilots on furlough from the
other Airline. Acceptance or rejection of such an offer or failure to qualify will
not affect a Pilot’s recall rights or placement on the Integrated Seniority List
(which shall be based upon his seniority position at the Pilot’s originating
Airline). (i) If either Continental or United intends to hire new Pilots, it will first offer
employment to fill such positions in seniority order to Pilots on furlough from the
other Airline. Acceptance or rejection of such an offer or failure to qualify will
not affect a Pilot’s recall rights or placement on the Integrated Seniority List
(which shall be based upon his seniority position at the Pilot’s originating
06-03-2013, 06:23 AM
#36
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Unless UCH shrinks, IMHO, off the street hiring will need to be essentially continuous this year (and next) due to retirements, FAR 117, and the UPA. UCH is going to try to fly through this summer with a staffing model that is stretched to the limit (and beyond) and that includes "relief" granted in the UPA implementation timeline that will not be available next summer.
Even if there is a "wave" of furloughees returning it won't be enough to consistently fill every class for very long--or if at all.
Even if there is a "wave" of furloughees returning it won't be enough to consistently fill every class for very long--or if at all.
06-03-2013, 06:25 AM
#37
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That's a new one - blame ALPA for all the ills at United. Guess next you'll want to replace it with a stellar in-house association like the cal guys had for over 30 years. You do understand the UAL guys brought them out of the dark and into the light with the latest contract. The UAL guys got very little - even the pay raise was eaten up with increased Medical and Long Term Disability cost.
No sympathy for those that complain when we won't let them steal.
No sympathy for those that complain when we won't let them steal.
06-03-2013, 06:31 AM
#38
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TPA is dated 07/19/10.
CAL announced 15 pilot recalls in May, 2010 and that the remainder (132) would be recalled in September, 2010.
06-03-2013, 06:40 AM
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That's a new one - blame ALPA for all the ills at United. Guess next you'll want to replace it with a stellar in-house association like the cal guys had for over 30 years. You do understand the UAL guys brought them out of the dark and into the light with the latest contract. The UAL guys got very little - even the pay raise was eaten up with increased Medical and Long Term Disability cost.
No sympathy for those that complain when we won't let them steal.
No sympathy for those that complain when we won't let them steal.
As a side note, you've mentioned LTD cost a coupla times. You obviously do not understand the fundamental difference between your previous PDI program and the new LTD one to be complaining about the cost.
06-03-2013, 06:49 AM
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Unless UCH shrinks, IMHO, off the street hiring will need to be essentially continuous this year (and next) due to retirements, FAR 117, and the UPA. UCH is going to try to fly through this summer with a staffing model that is stretched to the limit (and beyond) and that includes "relief" granted in the UPA implementation timeline that will not be available next summer.
Even if there is a "wave" of furloughees returning it won't be enough to consistently fill every class for very long--or if at all.
Even if there is a "wave" of furloughees returning it won't be enough to consistently fill every class for very long--or if at all.
Thanks I hope that is the case.
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