APC225

May as well say this:

"If you are a B737 Pilot who does a straight pickup of any trip in any base between Memorial Day and Labor Day, that pickup will be treated as a 'Voluntary Junior Manning' (VJM) event and you will be paid 200% of your normal hourly rate."

It's what they'll be doing anyway. They put out a dozen of these messages last year that basically covered the entire summer.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ua...all-bases.html Summer 2012

Really

What's your line value this month? Anything over 72 hrs (reserve value) is being greedy!! That could be someones opinion!! So, does that make you GREEDY? Lets say you have a 20hr 4-day trip and you trade it for a 4 -day 22hr 4-day trip did you just pick up open time? See how there can be MANY different views on open time pick-up!! Anyway, I believe if a person is following the contract then there is not much anyone should say. Since, it could come back at you with someone's definition of open time pick-up that you are doing!! Maybe even saying "vomit, vomit, vomit!"

CRM114

If that helps one look themselves in the mirror and pretend that they have integrity, great. Covering for management's faulty manpower model at a 200% premium when there are furloughed pilots on the street perpetuates the perception of the CAL scab mentality.

Really

Could you please go section by section of OUR contract and tell us what parts if exercised by EITHER pilot group would be considered SCAB mentality? I will be sure to tell the furloughed guys flying the CAL side that are picking up open time your thoughts!! (They're probably trying to make up some of the money they lost from the furlough since you guys didn't have any type of furlough mitigation or health insur. coverage paid for by the active pilots, like CAL did!!) You would be surprised what "mentality" some of these guys think the UAL guys have!! Just sayin!

cadetdrivr

Foot, meet mouth.

1) What exactly do you think think UA voluntary furloughs (with full severance) represented? Or the reduced credit limits while pilots are furloughed?

2) The UAL MEC raised the assessment and provided medical coverage for three years for furloughed pilots.

pilotgolfer

Really,

I'm a EWR based FO and furloughed United guy. Just to clear the record, United's furlough fund covered my Cobra payments for nearly 14 months while I was out of work. I will be eternally grateful to the United pilots for doing this and I go out of my way to thank them whenever I come in contact with them at work or at the bar.

I am a line holder and would prefer to fly in the mid 70s for a month. I don't understand why my June line came out at 91 hours. I thought the computer had to stop loading flying on your line after it hit 84 hours...but I'm still learning.

I've enjoyed every CAL pilot I've worked with away from the training center...and most of my United buddies on the Cal side would probably echo that sentiment. But get your facts correct if you are going to spout off about the Blue side. The fact that you think the Union didnt do anything for us furloughed guys in the way of a furlough fund just demonstrates that you are going off half-cocked.

SEDPA

Pilotgolfer: in your opinion, is picking up open time trips at a premium , IAW the UPA, "scab like" behavior? ... and should it perpetuate a " scab" mentality?

HotPot

Trade, pick up, trade pick up.... we have a United contract and if you choose to be on the street, like me, then thats your choice. However, I can see your point of not exercising your seniority number and thus your reason to do "something else" but really, are you truly furloughed? We are getting very tight here.

pilotgolfer

It's in the contract. We are operating in strange circumstances. You still have two pilot groups yet we are operating under a common contract. The Company cannot shift flying back and forth between the two sides to cover shortfalls in the manning. The clock is ticking on the SLI...things are a mess. We need the list done like yesterday. Then these issues will be more clear.

But in the mean time, I choose not to pick up Premium pay. I don't know how guys find the time to do it anyways. I always wonder how guys have 110-120 hours of credit when I look at the available reserves. What I do think is in poor taste is the guys that make deals with the schedulers...like I will fly this trip tomorrow at premium pay but you have to buy my trip that I'm no longer legal for because of it. I flew with a guy from MCO that showed up on my trip deadheading in from IAH. He was one of the deal makers who had scheduling on speed dial. I thought he was a horror...but not necessarily a scab (although he did have one of those 3 digit numbers with a letter...but apparently they are not all scabs as this guy was very quick to point out).


Not sure I fully answered your question. But for full disclosure...I traded into a 27 hour 4 day this week that operates the same days as my 20 hour 4 day. I didn't give up any days off to do it, but I got an extra 7 hours of pay. The company still needs a reserve to fly my original 4 day.

Sonny...was this a faux pas on my part?

sonnycrockett

"Sonny...was this a faux pas on my part?"

No....my post had more to do with the fact we have out of touch A-320 Capt's that have NO IDEA that we still have pilots on furlough.

Pull up the ladder I got mine......alive and well.