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If they were bidding equipment outside of what their contemporaries were holding, yes they might be disappointed. The opportunities to cherry pick a junior bid will always be there. Under the cal scheme, they would see advancement into a widebody capt seat and maintain that position for many years if not decade.

Movement will continue, for everyone, for their entire career.

jsled

That is my only goal in this SLI. To be senior to all the cocky 05-08 Cal Pilots. That way they are junior to me until 2033 - as it should be - LONGEVITY.

Sledster

Mitch Rapp05

Because he is NOT working as a LUAL pilot! He has been laid off!!! He is furloughed!!! His Cat/Status= NOTHING, because he is has been furloughed (fancy word for laid off). Imagine this: Suzie has worked for Monkey Airways for 10 years but was laid off. You have worked for Chump Airways for 5 years and have upgraded in the past year with 1000 pilots below you. Should Suzie be called back and placed ahead of YOU because Monkey and Chump have merged into Monkey Chump Air?

Seriously though, 3 years ago I couldn't find ONE UAL pilot that was happy with the direction of their airline. Every single one of them were begging for CAL to merge with them so they could get our "good" mgt. All of a sudden UAL was the best thing since sliced bread that saved a dying "little airline". SMH

tmac3333

Fwiw as a 2006 cal hire, the United proposal doesn't upset me at all. I doubt that there are going to be a flood of United folks dying to come be 737 f/os in Houston. You can have my Captain seat sitting reserve in Newark getting abused by our new contract. I think you'll find that most of us would be just fine with maintaining relative seniority +/- 1% and if this the worst I'm going to get...even better.

I'm just tired of the constant whining.

Mitch Rapp05

So as long as its LCAL pilots being hurt it's ok? Fair and equitable, right?

AxlF16

You didn't check with me three years ago.

Second, I'd like to introduce you to the word "Longevity". If you read the methodology you would understand that status and category AND longevity were weighted.

vspeed

Immature to say the least. Karma's coming for you.

Mitch Rapp05

Really, *******? You could honestly say that 3 years ago you felt that UAL would have made it and CAL was on its last legs? Maybe I was living under a rock, but EVERY publication I read showed UAL to be on its death bed. Before Age 65 CAL was hiring and movement was swift. I had UAL furloughs on our jumpseat who thought they'd NEVER see the cockpit of a UAL airplane again because the airline was in such dire straits. All of a sudden these same furloughs have better career expectations than a CAL working pilot?!?!!!

AxlF16

Yes really, Mr Anonymous. I can honestly say that 3 years ago(pre merger) I was confident that UAL was going to do very well in the economic recovery that was ahead. I didn't like the pain we were suffering at the time, but I was certain that we were postured for success. As for CAL, I don't believe they/you were 'on it's last legs'. I believed that there was going to be industry consolidation ESPECIALLY after the DL/NW merger, but I don't recall ever saying or thinking that CAL was going to fail. I viewed the UAL/CAL combination to be the most fitting of the available options. I honestly didn't expect any carrier to pursue a self destructive business plan that would end in their demise - the only one I can remember is Independence Air. IMOutsiderO, the closest UAL ever came to it's 'death bed' was during BK when the creditors committee was deciding whether the portfolio was worth more in a sale or in a chance long term ROI. When they didn't divest any of our valuable markets or route authorities I was sure we were safe. I've never been concerned since. I know you don't believe it, but the CORPORATE leadership of UAL rightly (in hind sight) chose to posture UAL for a merger. UAL's strategic course and the implications of the resulting choices are quite simple to see (for those willing to be objective).

ps. I don't know why you find it necessary to put my name in the post. Please enlighten me on your motivation. It doesn't bother me, but it was rather obvious so I thought I'd ask.

Pilotbiffster

Fair and equitable that the 2007 hire L-CAL pilots averaging 37 years in age should sit at the top of the widebody Captain list for the last 20 years of their careers as all the '97 hire pilots averaging 50 years in age all retire? Fair and equitable that the CAL proposal would basically block all the '94-'98 UAL folks from ever flying their own widebody metal from the left seat? I see YOUR concept of fair and equitable .. screw over 2000 L-UAL pilots that would ALL see widebody captain absent a merger and yet, with the CAL proposal, none will see it. Sound fair to you ? Umm hmm, thought so.