Maxepr1

List of Arrogance....
or good crack.... You pick?

Maxepr1

God forbid someone says something bad about UAL.... Yes very short memories on their side..... Be careful we don't want create ay emotional impact.....

jsled

Arrogance? like the 37% staple job? Be honest, you know which list is more reasonable. And the arbitrators will PROVE it. See ya in August.

Sled

jsled

ahhh. You still stewing about no SFO vacancies? You're lucky you don't have to stay in the EWR and IAH sandbox.

Sled

Maxepr1

There you go ...... Calling them liars .... Boooo Hooo......Looks like your upset....If it goes against the UAL guys they must be liars cheat and not for the American way... Lol... Your team just doubled numbers... omitted pilots andI'm sure there's more..... You just can't take the heat, look at your past.........God forbid someone picks on your side....To bad so sad... move along.... Let the big boys do the deal in Washington.....The arbitrators will figure it out make there decision ... Then I'm sure the UNited guys will sue......

Slammer

Some guys on here believe they have a crystal ball, and take weeks of testimonies, comments, and questions....and are absolutely sure the list is a slam dunk. Problem is, non of us are the arbitrators, with labor law experience, and historical precendent..And yes, ALL of ALPA policy will assist, but not determine, solely. . I for am not shocked by the UA list. What were they suppose to do, keep their furloughed pilots at the bottom? Not attempt to gain an advantage in every hiring window? To think this is the list we will see or the CAL list for that matter, truly reduces the federally directed arbitarors ( many ex judges) to puppets who can't see through the smoke screens, statistical analysis, that favors one side versus the other. These guys are not rookies...

Maxepr1

Nope Sled,I understand it would have created an emotional impact on your fragile egos....We have to support our weaker brothers... It was a good choice by management to back off....Is there anything you need? Can we help you have a more enjoyable merger?

Sunvox

Yeah I bought my Crystal Ball at Wal-Mart just for times like these

Seriously, as I said before the final list will be the list UAL proposed or really, really similar. There are no gimmicks. It's stovepiped category and class using computer based methodology to sort the silos which is almost EXACTLY what was done in USAir, DAL/NWA, and most recently Colgan/Pinnacle/Mesaba. This is not Rocket Science and ISL from recent years have all used very, very similar methodology. If you are hangin' your hat on a belief that "career expectations" are gonna change the list I think you are in for a rude awakening. I may be wrong about the furloughed pilots and they may yet end up stapled, but I would bet a LOT of money that the remainder of the list is virtually unchanged. It's Category and Class sorted by longevity how much more basic can you get.

For that matter, what magical consideration do you feel is not properly included in this break down. Give me a real verifiable measurable consideration that you honestly think the arbitrators should or even could include in addition to those that are required.

Can one CAL pilot offer a single serious, thought out, measurable addition to the computer model UAL proposed? W2s? What?

sonnycrockett

Precedent was set with the Pinnacle/Colgan/Mesaba merger in that furloughed pilots WERE SLOTTED in with active pilots.

That was done under the new and improved ALPA MERGER policy.

Seems like both groups are pi$$ed off....so I say the UAL proposal will look very closely like the final award ruling.

ChrisJT6

One word: SNAPSHOT