UAL proposed list online
05-15-2013, 03:18 PM
#31
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Posts: 419
This is not even close to relative seniority. A pilot goes from greater than 100% (furloughed) to 75% is relative??? Ok. Is this the part where I am supposed to start spewing:
"UAL should be embarrassed by this proposal!"
"Where's the UAL outrage!"
"You're just a scab airline!"
"...bunch of snot nosed pilots who were still diapers when I was flying!"
"Longevity!"
"ALPA merger policy!"
"Burn it down if I don't get my way!"
"We have real widebodies!"
"We are a real international airline!"
"I was told at a dinner fifteen years ago that I would retire as a 747 Captain and I am entitled to that expectation! (Please ignore the realities of the last decade.)"
"But we were right sized!"
"We have a better cafeteria in our training center!"
"We don't wear hats!"
"We had better crew bases!"
"We had aircraft on order!"
"Our stripes look better!"
"I have a minor in brain surgery!"
"I can't retire #1 if the pilot ahead of me is younger than I am!"
"You were going to go bankrupt without us!"
Whatever. I've heard it all before. The l-ual team did what they were supposed to do. I'm certainly not offended (even though I would lose 13% seniority), and won't blow a head gasket over a seniority integration PROPOSAL! This whole process is smoke and mirrors with convenient semantics thrown in. It's too bad that the whole seniority list integration is being fought over battle fields that have nothing to do with pilot seniority. I've already stated, I am prepared to live the results no matter what. Are you?
"UAL should be embarrassed by this proposal!"
"Where's the UAL outrage!"
"You're just a scab airline!"
"...bunch of snot nosed pilots who were still diapers when I was flying!"
"Longevity!"
"ALPA merger policy!"
"Burn it down if I don't get my way!"
"We have real widebodies!"
"We are a real international airline!"
"I was told at a dinner fifteen years ago that I would retire as a 747 Captain and I am entitled to that expectation! (Please ignore the realities of the last decade.)"
"But we were right sized!"
"We have a better cafeteria in our training center!"
"We don't wear hats!"
"We had better crew bases!"
"We had aircraft on order!"
"Our stripes look better!"
"I have a minor in brain surgery!"
"I can't retire #1 if the pilot ahead of me is younger than I am!"
"You were going to go bankrupt without us!"
Whatever. I've heard it all before. The l-ual team did what they were supposed to do. I'm certainly not offended (even though I would lose 13% seniority), and won't blow a head gasket over a seniority integration PROPOSAL! This whole process is smoke and mirrors with convenient semantics thrown in. It's too bad that the whole seniority list integration is being fought over battle fields that have nothing to do with pilot seniority. I've already stated, I am prepared to live the results no matter what. Are you?
Did you even type this up today? If so, your rant seemed pretty pent up. On the other hand I don't mind moving up the list by you blowing your gasket! Get a grip man.
05-15-2013, 03:20 PM
#32
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: Retired
Posts: 230
This is not even close to relative seniority. A pilot goes from greater than 100% (furloughed) to 75% is relative??? Ok. Is this the part where I am supposed to start spewing:
"UAL should be embarrassed by this proposal!"
"Where's the UAL outrage!"
"You're just a scab airline!"
"...bunch of snot nosed pilots who were still diapers when I was flying!"
"Longevity!"
"ALPA merger policy!"
"Burn it down if I don't get my way!"
"We have real widebodies!"
"We are a real international airline!"
"I was told at a dinner fifteen years ago that I would retire as a 747 Captain and I am entitled to that expectation! (Please ignore the realities of the last decade.)"
"But we were right sized!"
"We have a better cafeteria in our training center!"
"We don't wear hats!"
"We had better crew bases!"
"We had aircraft on order!"
"Our stripes look better!"
"I have a minor in brain surgery!"
"I can't retire #1 if the pilot ahead of me is younger than I am!"
"You were going to go bankrupt without us!"
Whatever. I've heard it all before. The l-ual team did what they were supposed to do. I'm certainly not offended (even though I would lose 13% seniority), and won't blow a head gasket over a seniority integration PROPOSAL! This whole process is smoke and mirrors with convenient semantics thrown in. It's too bad that the whole seniority list integration is being fought over battle fields that have nothing to do with pilot seniority. I've already stated, I am prepared to live the results no matter what. Are you?
"UAL should be embarrassed by this proposal!"
"Where's the UAL outrage!"
"You're just a scab airline!"
"...bunch of snot nosed pilots who were still diapers when I was flying!"
"Longevity!"
"ALPA merger policy!"
"Burn it down if I don't get my way!"
"We have real widebodies!"
"We are a real international airline!"
"I was told at a dinner fifteen years ago that I would retire as a 747 Captain and I am entitled to that expectation! (Please ignore the realities of the last decade.)"
"But we were right sized!"
"We have a better cafeteria in our training center!"
"We don't wear hats!"
"We had better crew bases!"
"We had aircraft on order!"
"Our stripes look better!"
"I have a minor in brain surgery!"
"I can't retire #1 if the pilot ahead of me is younger than I am!"
"You were going to go bankrupt without us!"
Whatever. I've heard it all before. The l-ual team did what they were supposed to do. I'm certainly not offended (even though I would lose 13% seniority), and won't blow a head gasket over a seniority integration PROPOSAL! This whole process is smoke and mirrors with convenient semantics thrown in. It's too bad that the whole seniority list integration is being fought over battle fields that have nothing to do with pilot seniority. I've already stated, I am prepared to live the results no matter what. Are you?
Their entire presentation was based on what an awesome airline they used to be. Except the last decade actually did happen and their career expectations were flushed down the toilet. And now they want to get it all back at our expense!
05-15-2013, 03:27 PM
#33
HOSED BY PBS AGAIN
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,713
05-15-2013, 03:34 PM
#35
Need More Callouts
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: Unbridled Enthusiasm
Posts: 2,143
Apparently not as you're claiming that our side "lied" while yours was the beacon of truth. Ridiculous at best. Our side gave their best shot while yours did the same and I completely respect that. I most certainly will live with what the 3 arbitrators come up with no matter what the results but I'd be willing to bet you'll cry foul if it doesn't go your way.
05-15-2013, 03:35 PM
#36
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: Retired
Posts: 230
05-15-2013, 03:36 PM
#37
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: B767/757 Capt
Posts: 182
Probably close to that, but from what I see, with this list I'd probably lose the CA seat I've been in for almost seven years............... Since I plan (ned) to be out of here in the next 3-4 years, a major paycut back to the right seat would quash that in a hurry.......................
No bump/flush.....(you cannot "lose" a seat)
Oh and UAL proposed a 5 year furlough clause for the UAL guys.
What am I missing?
I though you CAL guys were all about the "relative % number" all along?
05-15-2013, 03:38 PM
#38
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 39
Hardly a rant. I realize it's hard to tell without the benefit of facial expression, body language, and tone of voice. (Should I have incorporated a bunch of smilies to make you feel better?) I don't post much because I am not as emotionally interested about sli as the regulars on here. The whole point was, for the last two weeks there has been a cranial explosion on here about the cal proposal. I was (tic) wondering if this is where/when my head was supposed to explode. I am truly smiling and getting cheap entertainment from all the posturing on here.
Better?
Better?
05-15-2013, 03:50 PM
#39
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Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: EWR B737FO
Posts: 225
No where near my relative seniority, past and current. Not going to get excited....the panel will see through our pin job, just as they will see through L-UA proposal..
05-15-2013, 04:05 PM
#40
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Posts: 419
Apparently not as you're claiming that our side "lied" while yours was the beacon of truth. Ridiculous at best. Our side gave their best shot while yours did the same and I completely respect that. I most certainly will live with what the 3 arbitrators come up with no matter what the results but I'd be willing to bet you'll cry foul if it doesn't go your way.
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