Zoomie

And the UAL argument is the same. Both MCs paint themselves as the "superior equity holder", in your words.

Remember the last 1000 posts where UAL guys say they were better because of all the Widebody A/C? Remember how CAL is just a "domestic airline" in UAL MC terms?

Or is it OK for UAL to paint a rosy picture of their future, but not OK when CAL does exactly the same? Are you just jealous that the CAL picture looks a lot brighter than the UAL picture?

Jim Lively

We all know each side is picking the best data that will help them further their cause. But do you really think the panel is not smart enough to look at the bigger picture and see that through the 9 "Years" prior to the merger announcement UAL "Lost" 4.794 Billion, and in those same 9 "Years" CAL made money?

Sunvox

No. I think they will see through the CAL argument which is the one you are espousing. The trends of the previous 9 years became irrelevant the day the DAL/NWA merger was consummated. On that day began a long slow tortuous strangle of CAL in NY one of CALs primary hubs. It is no small coincidence that even in 2009 when the industry had turned positive CAL continued to show red. Gloss over it all you'd like here on APC, but folks outside the industry all agree the DAL/NWA merger changed the financial landscape for every remaining legacy carrier. That is at what the arbs are going to look.

DAL/NWA airlines merged in 2008 and for the next 2 years CAL starts losing money even when others are making money all the way up to the quarter the merger is announced and Bingo profitability spikes once again. That's because why?

Scott Stoops

You're comparing a sports game to this? It is ethical to cheat in a sporting event? No. Is it ethical to lie (cheat) in this arbitration? No.

You are really going to support that? Unreal. Be honest. Why is that so hard?

Scott

Really

Probe, It says your a "Guppy" driver on your profile! ( By the way, the UAL guys have the "cutest" names for planes!! CAL guys just call it a plain 73 or occasionally a "FLUF"! Do you have nicknames for other things?) If so I just was wondering if you fly on the CAL side now? And if so where are you based?

Scott Stoops

I'm quite aware that the panel will see the bigger picture. I suppose they'll favor the one drawn in Crayon instead of the one that actually referenced ALPA merger policy? Ok, yeah.

Scott

Mitch Rapp05

I apologize for coming across as a jerk. Like many of this board I've gotten emotional over some of the comments and have allowed it to show in my posts. I'm stepping back. Hopefully, by this time next year this would have been a bad dream. Good luck.

Jim Lively

There's a third one drawn in Crayon??

Zoomie

No one has lied here. Re-read above. You may not like the way some things were defined in the ALPA policy manual, but that doesn't change the reality of the current definitions.

Will an arbitrator agree? We'll see... but that doesn't mean that our MC shouldn't use the full extent of what is provided to them.

Nothing here is a lie or a cheat.

Again, I suggest you read the full transcripts. Perhaps then you'll be a bit more angry at your own MC.

horrido27

It gets better after a few days! The first few days of not posting are the hardest!

I decided to stop getting into it on here as-
1) Neither side is going to change the other sides opinion!
B) It's really only a handful (less than 2 dozen!) that are posting.. out of 12000!
iii) There's alot of cooler things to see on the Internet. (Who knew Sasha Grey was so talented and cute!?) (Who knew you could look up old DBA recon photo's from WWII?!) {This Internet is pretty neat.. thanks Al Gore~}

Still looking forward to flying and/or meeting (almost)(LOL) every one of ya.

Always
Motch

PS> Oh, and PBS still blows! all I need off was the 2nd, and the 29th. Didn't get either one while a couple of guys below me got them off! You LUAL guys & gals are gonna love "our" PBS.