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05-16-2013, 02:25 PM
#191
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OK Joe, here's my scenario, let's see who is closer when the time comes! All of my scenario is based on the number of seats and positions, not what people are holding...
All widebody positions will be blended with widebody positions at a ratio of somewhere between 2:1 and 3:1, advantage UAL.
All narrowbody positions will follow with a ratio of approx 2:1, advantage CAL.
UAL 1437 furloughs will merge with 147 furloughs at CAL at 1:1 or 2:1, advantage CAL. That list will be stapled to the bottom. The reason the 147 will merge with the most senior furloughs will be because the bottom 209 active at UAL are only there because of voluntary furloughs above them. The wild card will be the date of snapshots, there may very well be several, which could account for changes in furlough position starting points for both sides.
I predict a 5 year fence on 747 and 787.
OK, Joe, gentleman's bet between two rational guys?
All widebody positions will be blended with widebody positions at a ratio of somewhere between 2:1 and 3:1, advantage UAL.
All narrowbody positions will follow with a ratio of approx 2:1, advantage CAL.
UAL 1437 furloughs will merge with 147 furloughs at CAL at 1:1 or 2:1, advantage CAL. That list will be stapled to the bottom. The reason the 147 will merge with the most senior furloughs will be because the bottom 209 active at UAL are only there because of voluntary furloughs above them. The wild card will be the date of snapshots, there may very well be several, which could account for changes in furlough position starting points for both sides.
I predict a 5 year fence on 747 and 787.
OK, Joe, gentleman's bet between two rational guys?
Lemme guess, hired in the 2000s after most of our pilots?
05-16-2013, 02:54 PM
#192
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According to the UAL proposed list the top 16 pilots on the list come from the CAL side. The #1 UAL pilot, doesn't get on until #17 (I'm sure he's thrilled)
It also places UAL pilots with only 57% of the top one-third, even though as a combined group we should have 62% by numbers. So more CAL pilots on a pro-rata share than UAL pilots.
There are going to be more CAL at the top, and more at the bottom.
Sorry, its not personal, its just policy implementation.
So much for that argument!
05-16-2013, 03:14 PM
#193
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According to the UAL proposed list the top 16 pilots on the list come from the CAL side. The #1 UAL pilot, doesn't get on until #17
Most of the top 16 CAL guys are over 65 one has a 1938 DOB making him 75 years old. How are these guys on the active CAL list?
05-16-2013, 03:46 PM
#194
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To borrow the arguments from many CAL folks on here... "A furloughed pilot has ZERO career expectations"... and "A furloughed pilot is no different than any unemployed pilot on the street" (CAL pilots' words, not mine.) If these are considered true statements then the 147 are no different from the 1437... they're furloughed, period.
So if career expectations are equal for both sides... ie: "ZERO", then how are they placed in front of their "peers" with more longevity... especially if UAL is supposedly weighting longevity unfairly?
The argument that UAL is using longevity unfairly is just not valid.
So if career expectations are equal for both sides... ie: "ZERO", then how are they placed in front of their "peers" with more longevity... especially if UAL is supposedly weighting longevity unfairly?
The argument that UAL is using longevity unfairly is just not valid.
05-16-2013, 03:57 PM
#195
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Like I said though, I have no idea.
05-16-2013, 04:11 PM
#197
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Well when you have 4,500 years of extra longevity thrown in to make your case stronger, its going to flow over to a bunch of extra places.
05-16-2013, 04:34 PM
#199
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You have to draw a line somewhere....
05-16-2013, 04:58 PM
#200
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AxlF16, I understand your point, and believe you should fight for your guys!! (soon to be OUR guys!!) But, not sure if I understand your point. They have to wait till a position opens up but, when that positon opens up they would move into said position and displace non-furloughed guy down, correct? (I'm not reading all the transcripts!)
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