HotPot

I say SAME money because OUR new contract has taken the LCAL view of grouping OUR aircraft.

I have not decided if this is better or worse. Just saying IF I had the choice of 777 or 747.... NO choice!

Airhoss

Sunvox,

Stupid question I'm sure, but I can't find it with my cursuary parusal of the web site. What is the LON number signify? In your case number 14?

routemap

So how do you respect status and category and career expectations?

Longevity is only one equity.

Sunvox

Absolutely 100% completely and utterly wrong!

Take a look at the JFK UAL 756 May bids and the DCA 756 bids. The middle 2/3 group is forced to fly 88.5 hours and many many if not most of the top fly 70 hours or close to that number. Why? Because like me they prefer 18 days off and 1 leg a day working. The 747 is premium only partially because of pay, a far greater number of very very senior FOs sit on that plane because it's trips provide 21 days a month off and that's before counting sick leave and vacation. I understand a lot of guys at CAL are focused on payrates and W2s, but that is NOT representative of the UAL workforce nor do I think for much of the CAL workforce. If the 74 was in JFK I would sit left seat on that 'til I die or it was taken away if I could make $150 Grand a year working 9 days flying to Tokyo.

pilotgolfer

I believe its longevity...DOH minus any absences. Hired 17 years ago with a 3 year furlough??

Really

AxlF16, I understand your point, and believe you should fight for your guys!! (soon to be OUR guys!!) But, not sure if I understand your point. They have to wait till a position opens up but, when that positon opens up they would move into said position and displace non-furloughed guy down, correct? (I'm not reading all the transcripts!)

cadetdrivr

Not quite. With a 1996 DOH he was never furloughed.

Snapshot at merger closing: 2010-1996=14 years of active longevity

LAX Pilot

Yes! The last merger done under the new policy.

Also the CAL proposed list had pilots at CAL who were on furlough at the time of the merger put ahead of UAL pilots with 12 years of consecutive, never furloughed longevity.

And I didn't see ONE CAL PILOT come on here and say that it was wrong for CAL to propose putting their furloughees ahead of pilots who were active at United.

So there WILL be furloughed UAL pilots ahead of active CAL pilots because the policy states longevity must be considered AND nowhere in policy does it restrict placing furloughees with active pilots.

Also, the last award under this policy did exactly that.

The merger happened in 2010. Just because one side got to reap a benefit greater than another side doesn't mean anything. Just be lucky you got to grab a position out of seniority, because the music is going to stop soon.

Airhoss

Ahh yes it was active years at snap shot date. Thank you. I keep forgetting about that pesky snapshot date, seems I'm in good company...

cadetdrivr

Indeed.