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Old 05-13-2013, 10:43 PM
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In new hire training at CAL we were given a union dues' check off sheet. That is it. The guy didn't even bother to say "Welcome aboard."

Nice.
That "aut to tell you something
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Originally Posted by Jim Lively
That "aut to tell you something
Says nothing about APLA or CAL, just that the local reps are lazy.
If I lived in IAH, I would change it myself.

FYI: I had the same experience when hired.
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FYI: I had the same experience when hired.
That truly is a shame and it needs to be changed. Sounds like we need to give Kru a call and have him re institute his welcome aboard program like he so masterfully did back in the day.

First day was a welcome aboard day which included your spouse or significant other including a very nice diner with an open bar. At the diner everybody was once again welcomed to UAL and prizes were given for the most airline uniforms hanging in a closet, longest flight time in one sitting, oldest airplane flown commercially, ETC ETC.. By the end of day one you had real feeling of belonging and bonding with your class and your new company. Day two was a day of indoc followed by a meeting at the Bar with an open tab which was strategically positioned near one of the local "ballet" facilities here in Denver for those who wished to strike out on their own after the company sponsored activities.

This was my third big airline and I have to say that first week really set the tone for making want to be part of UAL.

We need to re institute this tradition for our new hires.

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Old 05-14-2013, 07:47 AM
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reCAL,

Looks like the committe got to see one of my arguments that you said they were never going to see. Fascinating testimony from a man who was actually advising both companies on the merger, worked for United during the bankruptcy, has run his own airline, and has even advised a labor group during contract negotiations. Yeah, I'm sure the board will ignore his testimony because he screwed up the math on one of his charts 'cuz that never happened in the CAL testimony


. . . . putting these two airlines in a historical context.

They were never comparable airlines in terms of their geographic reach or their footprint or their brand by any traditional metric, whether you take that period in 2000 or 2010 or any time in between.
. . . . it's important that the relative perspectives of both United and Continental on mergers really changed from the really initial discussion in 2006 to 2010, you know, by the time of the 2010 merger, both Continental and United wanted a merger.

But, actually, when you looked at the industry, Continental needed a merger at that point much more than United did.

United was stronger.

It came out of the financial crisis of 2008 and 2009 stronger, and it had real M&A options that Continental didn't have.
I met Tilton on the second day on the job. I was bringing in Air China executives to meet with United. And I will say from the first minute I met Mr. Tilton -- the first day is probably more accurate -- up until now, he has been on, I think, a single-minded crusade of an industry restructuring and consolidation, and the need for consolidation not just for United, but for the industry. He comes from a very different industry, where actually there is a structure. And there are people -- companies do make money. And his first impression of this industry was it's too fragmented, too much capacity. We need to have a structural change in the industry so that companies can earn a return on invested capital. And that single-minded focus was his overarching objective from day one on the job until after the merger of Continental and United, I guess, it was announced in May of 2010. And that overarching objective drove a lot of the decision making process that you saw at United both in the bankruptcy and after the bankruptcy. He was doing things to facilitate a merger, to make the merger easier in an industry where mergers --

Where mergers have traditionally been difficult, and so he made a lot of decisions to facilitate it.


Starting with the Delta/Northwest merger in 2008, this is -- that is the seminal moment of a structural industry change that was the catalyst for other mergers and for the industry change that I talked earlier about that Mr. Tilton was discussing for decades people had said this industry needed. It's a very different industry today than it was before that merger. And we went from a fragmented industry to a consolidated industry. Standalone strategies, which some people preferred before the Delta/Northwest merger, were really not sustainable.
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
That truly is a shame and it needs to be changed. Sounds like we need to give Kru a call and have him re institute his welcome aboard program like he so masterfully did back in the day.

First day was a welcome aboard day which included your spouse or significant other including a very nice diner with an open bar. At the diner everybody was once again welcomed to UAL and prizes were given for the most airline uniforms hanging in a closet, longest flight time in one sitting, oldest airplane flown commercially, ETC ETC.. By the end of day one you had real feeling of belonging and bonding with your class and your new company. Day two was a day of indoc followed by a meeting at the Bar with an open tab which was strategically positioned near one of the local "ballet" facilities here in Denver for those who wished to strike out on their own after the company sponsored activities.

This was my third big airline and I have to say that first week really set the tone for making want to be part of UAL.

We need to re institute this tradition for our new hires.
Dude, that sounds awesome...

I didn't even hear "welcome" at CAL training.. I had the "oh you've flown the F-16? neat.. Study the 73 and Newark sucks"
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Originally Posted by swampfoxviper
Dude, that sounds awesome...

I didn't even hear "welcome" at CAL training.. I had the "oh you've flown the F-16? neat.. Study the 73 and Newark sucks"
That sux we need to fix it!
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Fascinating . . .


. . . .this represents the total number of nonstop routes that United, Continental, and then the merged Company operated with 737s.



And as we find out, they best operate to a large degree at the places where United used to fly 737s.

So 737s out on United side, 737s in on the joint operation of United Continental with Continental 737s.
And as we find out, they best operate to a large degree at the places where United used to fly 737s. So 737s out on United side, 737s in on thejoint operation of United Continental withContinental 737s.



And so I want to make sure that the big picture view here is that the 737 operations at United's hubs were in and of itself valuable. And that when the joint management team had a chance to rationalize a 737 fleet, a lot of that flying went back to the same hubs and the same routes that United's 737s used to fly at the United hubs.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
That sux we need to fix it!
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(Sorry to add to the thread drift)

I agree. We need to restore the prestige to our position. Granted, it's not 1975 but we are still major airline pilots flying for the world's "leading" airline. A classy and nice welcome should be a no brainer.
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
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First day was a welcome aboard day which included your spouse or significant other including a very nice diner with an open bar. At the diner everybody was once again welcomed to UAL and prizes were given for the most airline uniforms hanging in a closet, longest flight time in one sitting, oldest airplane flown commercially, ETC ETC.. By the end of day one you had real feeling of belonging and bonding with your class and your new company. Day two was a day of indoc followed by a meeting at the Bar with an open tab which was strategically positioned near one of the local "ballet" facilities here in Denver for those who wished to strike out on their own after the company sponsored activities.

This was my third big airline and I have to say that first week really set the tone for making want to be part of UAL.

We need to re institute this tradition for our new hires.
Yeah, some of your guys got to hear the "rah rah" speech TWICE, and may even hear it a THIRD time if they ever go back (of which many I've flown with said they will stay with us). How many times do you guys welcome the SAME pilots into the fold?
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:21 AM
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ewr; YOU will never get it.
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