I do NOT have a credit card (pilot meals)
04-03-2013, 06:48 AM
#31
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If it is the contract, we get it...period. Otherwise we are just mgts dream.
Pilots who continually waive the contract and bow down to mgt with their "howevers" are almost as bad as those who crossed the line in '83.
04-03-2013, 07:42 AM
#33
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So if the fueler misreads the required fuel, I guess it is okay not to delay the flt to wait for fuel?
If it is the contract, we get it...period. Otherwise we are just mgts dream.
Pilots who continually waive the contract and bow down to mgt with their "howevers" are almost as bad as those who crossed the line in '83.
If it is the contract, we get it...period. Otherwise we are just mgts dream.
Pilots who continually waive the contract and bow down to mgt with their "howevers" are almost as bad as those who crossed the line in '83.
04-03-2013, 07:43 AM
#34
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I don't blame you and neither do I. However, I have yet to see anything on board that would qualify as proper nourishment other than the bottled water. Still waiting to see some of these more edible crew meal enhancements. As of now, I still don't eat the food on the plane.
04-03-2013, 07:46 AM
#36
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Much urine, many fans.
Simply inquire if your meal has been boarded as YOU board the plane. If the answer is in the neg make ONE call to ops to check on catering. If they drop the ball stroll into the terminal and secure food. Ignore watch and CSR. Remember to keep your receipt.
The more guys do this, the sooner the problem goes away.
Simply inquire if your meal has been boarded as YOU board the plane. If the answer is in the neg make ONE call to ops to check on catering. If they drop the ball stroll into the terminal and secure food. Ignore watch and CSR. Remember to keep your receipt.
The more guys do this, the sooner the problem goes away.
I'll expense meals all day but in the end it will be a fight, the company will deny deny deny.
Sorry James didn't mean to rant.
04-03-2013, 08:22 AM
#37
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Ultimately it comes down to each aviator. What blows me away is when contractual violations are cut and dried and guys are too Casper Milquetoast to do anything beyond whimper, flip on CH 9 and violate SOP to get the on time, etc.
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04-03-2013, 01:53 PM
#38
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I was on a crew that delayed an IRO turn three times in a month, because they weren't catering three FD meals for the way back. Week one we took the delay and called the CP. Week two and three had the exact same course of events. Week four the situation was fixed. Exasperated CP admitted he was catching heat that our crew was the only one consistently delaying the city pair for crew meals. Thus he finally got around to picking up the phone and telling catering to fix the error. Gee I'm sure he had to do that because of some schmuck caterer misread the order four times.
04-03-2013, 02:26 PM
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As far as getting someone to pay attention to the problem, a single two-hour delay will get more attention than 100 expensed cabs.
Heck, one third of Phase 6 training was the wider cost impact of planes being late (or early) in terms of missconnects, timing out, aircraft out of service. It goes on to explain the new Dynamic Harmonized-something model wherein the desired In time will start to vary after push to synch that arrival with whatever is happening with other planes, other hubs, other criteria.
IOW, they are putting a lot of brain cells into this because they really care about it. THEY will examine the process to fix the metric if they are motivated to. I say again, have you EVER seen a SW crew waiting for transportation? It is possible to get it right every time.
A late arrival because a lack of hotel van (or catering) goes very high, very fast. Expensed cabs go nowhere, slowly.
Heck, one third of Phase 6 training was the wider cost impact of planes being late (or early) in terms of missconnects, timing out, aircraft out of service. It goes on to explain the new Dynamic Harmonized-something model wherein the desired In time will start to vary after push to synch that arrival with whatever is happening with other planes, other hubs, other criteria.
IOW, they are putting a lot of brain cells into this because they really care about it. THEY will examine the process to fix the metric if they are motivated to. I say again, have you EVER seen a SW crew waiting for transportation? It is possible to get it right every time.
A late arrival because a lack of hotel van (or catering) goes very high, very fast. Expensed cabs go nowhere, slowly.
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04-03-2013, 04:02 PM
#40
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I get the whole idea of enforcing the contract; no problem there.
HOWEVER, if catering makes a mistake, and you hold up 200 passengers who miss connects, cruises, weddings, funerals, one last visit with a dying family member, whatever, then you are promulgating the notion that we are arrogant, egotistical, self-centered p....s----oh, what a minute, what am I saying, many of us are.
I've been on a couple of flight in my life when the Captain substantially delayed the trip, and IMHO, it was just to show the company how much muscle he had. My only hope, my fervent hope, is that karma is a real b...h, and he, some day, misses something that is really important to him. I truly hope!!!!
HOWEVER, if catering makes a mistake, and you hold up 200 passengers who miss connects, cruises, weddings, funerals, one last visit with a dying family member, whatever, then you are promulgating the notion that we are arrogant, egotistical, self-centered p....s----oh, what a minute, what am I saying, many of us are.
I've been on a couple of flight in my life when the Captain substantially delayed the trip, and IMHO, it was just to show the company how much muscle he had. My only hope, my fervent hope, is that karma is a real b...h, and he, some day, misses something that is really important to him. I truly hope!!!!
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