SEDPA

Dude, L-UAL is dead, as is L-CAL ... any expectation we once had are just that, expectations ... the reality is both lists will be merged, with ALPA merger policy guiding the procedure, and fairness defined by 3 individuals ... might want to think about outcomes you don't like.

thor2j

While we are taking guesses, ill take one. All furloughed pilots at time of merger to the bottom and sorted relative seniority. Active pilots, UAL gets benefit from having more wide bodies. Not nearly as many as some would believe as 763 is no longer a wb in terms of future expectations because of pay banding. But still a bump for UAL. CAL gets benefit of career expectations. Much more movement and airplane orders. UAL stagnant. All washes out with in 3% of rs because that causes the least harm and keeps people flying what they did.

Monkeyfly

Less than royally screwed!?!

Uh oh.

Monkeyfly

My guess?

Ratios like Delta/NWA, with furloughs after and a few bones thrown to UA side for older pilot group/longevity. UA gains a few % but we end up within a few % points of where you were.

untied

The 767-300 is, by definition, a widebody.

Look at past SLI awards and you'll see that hourly rate does not effect "WB" vs "NB" arguments.

I know Jay POS was really trying to screw us with pay banding, but it won't help your case.

wiggy

"the 763 is not a widebody" was a lament often heard from the NW pilots leading up to the SLI arbitration with DL. Their reasoning was that the 763 paid the same as the 757...which pay was, ah-hem, about 15% more than the NW 757 rate. NW brought zero (0) 763s to the game, DL brought 80...this "may" have influenced their reasoning in this regard. Total widebodies: NW 744-16 + 743~12 (I think, they were cargo and that whole operation was dumped well before SOC -single operating certificate) + A330-32 = ~60 total. DL brought 777-16 767-400-21 763-80 = ~117 total. The 3 arbitrators filled the widebody category lists on the SLI with approximately those ratios of pilots. (I may be off slightly on a few of the numbers, but there were more DL pilots awarded those positions than NW pilots...but it was less than 2:1). The 763 was counted as a widebody according to this result.

intrepidcv11

That 757-300 is a SEXY WIDEBODY! Sorry to call it but well over 50% of Unical pilots think so...

untied

Wide body aircraft have TWO aisles.

You need to realize that past SLI discussions don't pay any attention to pay scales since we all make the same contractual rate going forward.

They DO look at WB vs NB fleets for career expectations.

intrepidcv11

You are right mate. After all I was aquired not hired. Your ample two aisle jets trump everything I ever deserved. Sorry for trying to interject contractual reality. After all at the end of the day my career expectations as a young punk RJ Noughties hire was at best a lowly guppy capt. Looking forward to taking my deserving place well beneath you!

EWRflyr

Seeing as how I don't think about the SLI because I have no control over it, I hope everyone is having a very Happy St. Patrick's Day whether you are off or enebriating, I mean celebrating it on a layover. Since I'm the designated driver, I'm stuck with the Shamrock Shake from McDonald's.