UAL offer street hires classes?
05-09-2013, 07:45 PM
#892
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Weren't you COEX/XJT previous? I'm pretty sure they weren't ALPA for the entire time you were there.
Funny, bro. Especially since you have NO idea how old I am, bro
But keep being a TRUE military professional with posts like that one, bro. Was "bro" your callsign?
Help me out bro, I guess my multiple displacements, 4 pay cuts, furlough, starting all over at the bottom again, etc might put me in the "such as you perhaps" category, bro?
Funny, bro. Especially since you have NO idea how old I am, bro
But keep being a TRUE military professional with posts like that one, bro. Was "bro" your callsign?
Help me out bro, I guess my multiple displacements, 4 pay cuts, furlough, starting all over at the bottom again, etc might put me in the "such as you perhaps" category, bro?
Just a thought....bro
Haha
05-09-2013, 07:55 PM
#894
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Posts: 1,134
I just never lived outside my means, nor did I EVER take the approach of "next year I'll making X amount, then the year after that I'll be making 2X, then 3X" and base my financial decisions off that. So when my pay cuts/furlough came it was just less that went into savings/retirement vehicles/doubled up mortgage payements, whatever. All while "clinging on" as you say, bro.
But I've seen PLENTY of pilots that did live way outside. Whether after the mid term ESOP and/or contract 2000. And when the BK concessions came, for those that were STILL employed anyway, it sure did suck for them give all the crap back (lose) they THOUGHT they could afford. Which was the WHOLE point to begin with.
It's nice think you'll make a certain amount, but DON'T EVER count on it just because the CBA says it. It's been proven, bro.
Anyway, congrats to the all the guys getting the calls/interviews/offers. FINALLY some good news in this career.
05-09-2013, 08:50 PM
#895
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Incorrect, bro.
I just never lived outside my means, nor did I EVER take the approach of "next year I'll making X amount, then the year after that I'll be making 2X, then 3X" and base my financial decisions off that. So when my pay cuts/furlough came it was just less that went into savings/retirement vehicles/doubled up mortgage payements, whatever. All while "clinging on" as you say, bro.
But I've seen PLENTY of pilots that did live way outside. Whether after the mid term ESOP and/or contract 2000. And when the BK concessions came, for those that were STILL employed anyway, it sure did suck for them give all the crap back (lose) they THOUGHT they could afford. Which was the WHOLE point to begin with.
It's nice think you'll make a certain amount, but DON'T EVER count on it just because the CBA says it. It's been proven, bro.
Anyway, congrats to the all the guys getting the calls/interviews/offers. FINALLY some good news in this career.
I just never lived outside my means, nor did I EVER take the approach of "next year I'll making X amount, then the year after that I'll be making 2X, then 3X" and base my financial decisions off that. So when my pay cuts/furlough came it was just less that went into savings/retirement vehicles/doubled up mortgage payements, whatever. All while "clinging on" as you say, bro.
But I've seen PLENTY of pilots that did live way outside. Whether after the mid term ESOP and/or contract 2000. And when the BK concessions came, for those that were STILL employed anyway, it sure did suck for them give all the crap back (lose) they THOUGHT they could afford. Which was the WHOLE point to begin with.
It's nice think you'll make a certain amount, but DON'T EVER count on it just because the CBA says it. It's been proven, bro.
Anyway, congrats to the all the guys getting the calls/interviews/offers. FINALLY some good news in this career.
Flying airplanes is great but stick-and-rudder monkey skills are only a very minute portion of the larger picture. I, for one, refuse to be the "that guy" hanger-on loser going through new-school (again) like the 55 year old I saw at Skywest; it would have been less pitiful, had it not been so utterly pathetic.
Good to see some new hires on the property...on a "good" note bro...
05-09-2013, 09:54 PM
#896
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,862
05-10-2013, 06:39 AM
#897
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: The GF of FUPM
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This industry eats its young AND old. There is so much luck involved that anyone who thinks they can safely and deftly maneuver their way through a 30 year career is naive.
When I was young the top three carriers were EAL, PAA and TWA. UAL was small, as was DAL, Western, Republic and American. USAir was a jet national and SWA was a start up with a handful of beater guppies. They actually wanted you to get typed to apply. Who would volunteer for such insanity?
Turns out the joke was on me. No one applied at EAL because of Lorenzo. Everyone knew the bomb was about to go off. Well, many of the guys who DID get hired there later got preferential treatment at UAL and other ALPA carriers. So much for my logic.Branniff was cool as hell. Great paint, FA's slowly disrobing inflight, visionary upper management but horrible mid level execution. But, they were teetering and Crandall was scheming to kill them.
PDT was the a small gem but they and Empire were vacuumed up by USAIR who was PRINTING money at the time.
CAL (Peoples Express + New York Air + Original CAL + Scabs + who knows else) was a train wreck and only the insane applied there....or so I thought! Those insane guys (mid to late 80's) are now 777 Captains.
When I was furloughed I flew for a 121 Non-Sked / Sked operation. Yes we had some losers, but we had a bunch of GREAT guys who could fly the hell out of the plane who just got caught up in one failed airline after another. Before they knew it they were too old to get on with "A Major" or couldn't afford first year pay after all the setbacks and with kids in college.
The list of crapped out airlines since dereg is long. You see a 55 year old loser, I see a guy who needs a job. Perspective is a great filter.
05-10-2013, 06:42 AM
#898
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 243
A tad harsh perhaps? I remember flying with some of those 55 hanger-on losers with I was flying turbo-shakers. Turned out many of them were ex-EAL and PAA Captains who needed currency for an Ex-Pat job, medical coverage for a family member, or simply some income. They were great guys and I learned a lot from them. They got caught up in a vortex of miasma which they had nothing to do with. The same thing goes for the guys hired at UAL in 99 and up until the day our planes were hi-jacked.
This industry eats its young AND old. There is so much luck involved that anyone who thinks they can safely and deftly maneuver their way through a 30 year career is naive.
When I was young the top three carriers were EAL, PAA and TWA. UAL was small, as was DAL, Western, Republic and American. USAir was a jet national and SWA was a start up with a handful of beater guppies. They actually wanted you to get typed to apply. Who would volunteer for such insanity? Turns out the joke was on me. No one applied at EAL because of Lorenzo. Everyone knew the bomb was about to go off. Well, many of the guys who DID get hired there later got preferential treatment at UAL and other ALPA carriers. So much for my logic.
Branniff was cool as hell. Great paint, FA's slowly disrobing inflight, visionary upper management but horrible mid level execution. But, they were teetering and Crandall was scheming to kill them.
PDT was the a small gem but they and Empire were vacuumed up by USAIR who was PRINTING money at the time.
CAL (Peoples Express + New York Air + Original CAL + Scabs + who knows else) was a train wreck and only the insane applied there....or so I thought! Those insane guys (mid to late 80's) are now 777 Captains.
When I was furloughed I flew for a 121 Non-Sked / Sked operation. Yes we had some losers, but we had a bunch of GREAT guys who could fly the hell out of the plane who just got caught up in one failed airline after another. Before they knew it they were too old to get on with "A Major" or couldn't afford first year pay after all the setbacks and with kids in college.
The list of crapped out airlines since dereg is long. You see a 55 year old loser, I see a guy who needs a job. Perspective is a great filter.
This industry eats its young AND old. There is so much luck involved that anyone who thinks they can safely and deftly maneuver their way through a 30 year career is naive.
When I was young the top three carriers were EAL, PAA and TWA. UAL was small, as was DAL, Western, Republic and American. USAir was a jet national and SWA was a start up with a handful of beater guppies. They actually wanted you to get typed to apply. Who would volunteer for such insanity?
Turns out the joke was on me. No one applied at EAL because of Lorenzo. Everyone knew the bomb was about to go off. Well, many of the guys who DID get hired there later got preferential treatment at UAL and other ALPA carriers. So much for my logic.Branniff was cool as hell. Great paint, FA's slowly disrobing inflight, visionary upper management but horrible mid level execution. But, they were teetering and Crandall was scheming to kill them.
PDT was the a small gem but they and Empire were vacuumed up by USAIR who was PRINTING money at the time.
CAL (Peoples Express + New York Air + Original CAL + Scabs + who knows else) was a train wreck and only the insane applied there....or so I thought! Those insane guys (mid to late 80's) are now 777 Captains.
When I was furloughed I flew for a 121 Non-Sked / Sked operation. Yes we had some losers, but we had a bunch of GREAT guys who could fly the hell out of the plane who just got caught up in one failed airline after another. Before they knew it they were too old to get on with "A Major" or couldn't afford first year pay after all the setbacks and with kids in college.
The list of crapped out airlines since dereg is long. You see a 55 year old loser, I see a guy who needs a job. Perspective is a great filter.
Awesome post oldmako.
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