UAL offer street hires classes?
04-23-2013, 05:16 PM
#721
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xjtguy, you make great points, but only for guys leaving the military in the very near future.
Guys in my old squadron are getting a whopping 5-7 hours of flight time a month!
Guys that are in UPT or those who have recently graduated will be looking at ending their 10-year commitment and not having ATP mins. The military (okay, I'm speaking from my experience, not sure if all military units are doing this) is pushing fuel conservation and simulator training. What does this mean? Nearly all my initial training, minus assault landings was done in the simulator. Checkrides and proficiency sorties are now done in the simulator. Unless the FAA starts crediting simulator time equal to flight time, military pilots will have a huge chunk of their experience coming from the sim box.
And this doesn't even count the guys who are going to be spending a tour or two in a RPV squadron.
Military pilots will still have a lot of real-world leadership flight experience and training that is second to none, but actual flight hours will be tough to come by.
Guys in my old squadron are getting a whopping 5-7 hours of flight time a month!
Guys that are in UPT or those who have recently graduated will be looking at ending their 10-year commitment and not having ATP mins. The military (okay, I'm speaking from my experience, not sure if all military units are doing this) is pushing fuel conservation and simulator training. What does this mean? Nearly all my initial training, minus assault landings was done in the simulator. Checkrides and proficiency sorties are now done in the simulator. Unless the FAA starts crediting simulator time equal to flight time, military pilots will have a huge chunk of their experience coming from the sim box.
And this doesn't even count the guys who are going to be spending a tour or two in a RPV squadron.
Military pilots will still have a lot of real-world leadership flight experience and training that is second to none, but actual flight hours will be tough to come by.
Simply a lower flight time or a higher sortie conversion factor. Combined with a less stringent X amount of hours in Y amount of months, JMHO
The airlines are going to have to figure it out, although it may not come quickly. As an example, at WIA (and other job fairs) things get asked like;
1) Why were you an FO so long/why is your SIC time so high and your PIC low in relation?
2) Why aren't you a check airman?
1) Because on the civ side, 9-11/Age 65/oil spike/recession, there's been severe stagnation/CA displacements.
2) Being a CA for ONLY 2,3, or ever 4 years can STILL make one VERY junior and still on reserve at many companies and not even in consideration.
Yet the recruiters ask these questions as if something is wrong with the pilot.
04-23-2013, 05:22 PM
#722
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Can any of the people who were offered a class date tell me how many weeks you are in training for either the 737 or the 757? How long after you were hired did they want you in class? Were you offered a choice of class dates? Any information on this process would be greatly appreciated.
04-23-2013, 05:24 PM
#723
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You're right, things will change. But, there won't be allowances from the FAA on ATP mins.
Unfortunate that the recruiters were asking those kinds of questions. Same thing happens in the military though. Guys that switched from the legacy C-130 to the C-130J and were coming up on promotion, had the dreaded "First Pilot" job description on their promotion file, or were not in jobs required for promotion because they were learning a new aircraft, yet not given the benefit of the doubt when it came time for promotion considerations.
WIA was a fantastic venue to learn, I hope guys that were getting those type of questions learned from the experience. Nothing I'd hate to see more than guys not getting a fair shake because of circumstances out of their control.
Unfortunate that the recruiters were asking those kinds of questions. Same thing happens in the military though. Guys that switched from the legacy C-130 to the C-130J and were coming up on promotion, had the dreaded "First Pilot" job description on their promotion file, or were not in jobs required for promotion because they were learning a new aircraft, yet not given the benefit of the doubt when it came time for promotion considerations.
WIA was a fantastic venue to learn, I hope guys that were getting those type of questions learned from the experience. Nothing I'd hate to see more than guys not getting a fair shake because of circumstances out of their control.
04-23-2013, 09:04 PM
#724
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Sorry, I wasn't dodging the 121 question, I didn't realize that it had not been originally posted. But no, I do not have any 121 time. It is all corporate, 135 and operations under military regs. I am just ready to be done living in ****holes in third world countries. About 1,400 of my hours are MGW over 12,500 and over 1,300 of which are PIC. I know it will be a while before they get through all the interns and 121 guys, hopefully the people I know will help me move up in line.
04-24-2013, 04:58 AM
#725
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Sorry, I wasn't dodging the 121 question, I didn't realize that it had not been originally posted. But no, I do not have any 121 time. It is all corporate, 135 and operations under military regs. I am just ready to be done living in ****holes in third world countries. About 1,400 of my hours are MGW over 12,500 and over 1,300 of which are PIC. I know it will be a while before they get through all the interns and 121 guys, hopefully the people I know will help me move up in line.
Financially, it's a sacrifice but it will help your resume considerably. That lack of 121 time is a killer for you.
04-24-2013, 05:52 AM
#726
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You've done about as much as you can where you're at. It's time to either move on to a 121 operation or be noncompetitive. Now would be the perfect time to get an RJ FO position because you should move up to Capt very quickly.
Financially, it's a sacrifice but it will help your resume considerably. That lack of 121 time is a killer for you.
Financially, it's a sacrifice but it will help your resume considerably. That lack of 121 time is a killer for you.
04-24-2013, 06:23 AM
#727
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Financial sacrifice is an understatement...I just did the math and it would take me 35 days at my current job to make the same amount as second year annual pay at a regional. I'll just stick it out and see what happens, maybe I'll just have to go back to flying needy rich snobs around.
04-24-2013, 06:30 AM
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Financial sacrifice is an understatement...I just did the math and it would take me 35 days at my current job to make the same amount as second year annual pay at a regional. I'll just stick it out and see what happens, maybe I'll just have to go back to flying needy rich snobs around.
04-24-2013, 07:35 AM
#729
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04-24-2013, 10:18 AM
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