UAL offer street hires classes?
04-04-2013, 07:58 AM
#501
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Well that's the $64k question isn't it?
If the historical 50% acceptance rate (overall) remains correct then we are probably nearly there today. However, I'd bet we see another couple hundred trickle back before the recalls expire.
A couple variables, IMHO:
1) A huge percentage of the UA furloughees were already on MIL leave prior to their furlough. UA had to furlough 1437 seniority numbers to remove ~900 warm bodies. Most of these pilots will have earned their retirement in the interim which may, or may not, affect the desirability of retuning to UA.
2) The SLI. I personally know lots of UA pilots that are playing wait-and-see. A wild SLI award (in either extreme) will also affect their decision matrix.
If the historical 50% acceptance rate (overall) remains correct then we are probably nearly there today. However, I'd bet we see another couple hundred trickle back before the recalls expire.
A couple variables, IMHO:
1) A huge percentage of the UA furloughees were already on MIL leave prior to their furlough. UA had to furlough 1437 seniority numbers to remove ~900 warm bodies. Most of these pilots will have earned their retirement in the interim which may, or may not, affect the desirability of retuning to UA.
2) The SLI. I personally know lots of UA pilots that are playing wait-and-see. A wild SLI award (in either extreme) will also affect their decision matrix.
Totally the 64K question... thanks for the input. I am hopeful that all who are awaiting an email and a recall obtain good news in the near term.
04-04-2013, 08:33 AM
#503
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Nope. It's only "it" for now. Once the list is worked through more will be sent but there is still the little issue of the furloughed UA pilots that will technically have to be offered recall prior to any new hires once the SLI is complete. Considering the several hundred already at sCAL and the acceptance rate to date, this will probably only be a blip before off the street hiring continues.
04-04-2013, 09:18 AM
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Was that a typo? 2746 instructor hours but 2733 PIC? I'd imagine if you were logging IP time you were the PIC as well?
04-04-2013, 09:20 AM
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04-04-2013, 09:21 AM
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04-04-2013, 09:39 AM
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04-04-2013, 10:06 AM
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I can see where it might be a bit confusing...was just reflecting a bit...perhaps whining about my pu$$y hurting...in reality, I just have time on my hands between playing the guitar and riding a bicycle in the middle east without my family reading this stuff. I don't normally comment, but it sounds like we could have saved some paper, taken some whiteout and just changed the names on our resumes...but then again, they don't do paper anymore do they! Don't give up your retirement...you are wise or would be where you are today...so please take my shallow advice as just that. I was excited as you to interview and get hired...but I found quickly U it is not a bed of roses, you are a commodity...the union is a necessary evil and will blow smoke up your skirt...the company will dump you as quickly as you can screw up a turn circle entry...union mantra is "we will make it a better place for you to return"...heard that twice. I passed on SWA for U...quite obvious a big mistake to the casual observer...I even left Airtran to return to U the first time...you would think I could get it right. I think things may be opening up a bit in the US wrt aviation...so you may get a few opportunities. SWA is changing, granted, and I am sure you have plenty of contacts...their track record is a lot better than the Rhapsody in Blue...just sayin'
I have not returned yet. There are 7 or so of us hangin' in Dubai waiting to see what happens...you can understand why we might be a little gun shy. We are all in the left seat of an NG making some good coin, but it isn't home...and seeing first hand why the union is a necessary evil.
I hope you get hired...he11, I hope everyone gets hired. Good luck!
Grizz
I have not returned yet. There are 7 or so of us hangin' in Dubai waiting to see what happens...you can understand why we might be a little gun shy. We are all in the left seat of an NG making some good coin, but it isn't home...and seeing first hand why the union is a necessary evil.
I hope you get hired...he11, I hope everyone gets hired. Good luck!
Grizz
I have a funny feeling about the real different cultures. From UAL's furloughs and 15 year FO's to CO upgrades and 100 hr credit lines. But when I was in Denver, the kool aid felt warm everyone made me feel welcome. The stark reality is that when you work hard at a "regional", and you are lucky to only get one call from a quality company, then you forget past union battles and become genuinely happy to be invited. No offense, but I did not have the luxury to choose other offers. I admitt that i didnt go after foreign contracts, but the only other action I could get was from small fractionals and really LOW paying Turboprop carriers. Even though we have hard won managment weariness. There are a lot of good, adaptable pilots that are waiting for any job action, and will jump at any offer. Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the long post, but I am doing nothing but waiting and worrying. Good luck to everyone with their prospects.
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