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Old 01-24-2013, 09:03 AM
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Talking $640M 4Q UAL loss - profit sharing?

$723 million loss for the year, $640 million loss in the 4th quarter alone - now with job cuts.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...,4867525.story

Some UAL pilots have been on furlough for going on 10 years and are still on the street. I'm shocked that anyone would consider applying here until the company actually showed some stability.

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Yea, wait it out at home. That's works well in a seniority based system. Plan on being last on the list.
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I would take the number and instability of UAL over the number an instability of any regional. I hope everything turns around for you active guys/gals and for those awaiting recall.
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Originally Posted by Ottopilot
Plan on being last on the list.
With 1436 furloughed pilots to potentially come back in front of new hires and a merged company that can't turn a profit, I agree that they'll be last on the list for a long while!
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With 1436 furloughed pilots to potentially come back in front of new hires and a merged company that can't turn a profit, I agree that they'll be last on the list for a long while!
Wait, I'm confused. I thought we were all recalled already?
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Originally Posted by HSLD
$723 million loss for the year, $640 million loss in the 4th quarter alone - now with job cuts.

United Continental to cut 600 front-office jobs - chicagotribune.com

Some UAL pilots have been on furlough for going on 10 years and are still on the street. I'm shocked that anyone would consider applying here until the company actually showed some stability.

SJS is alive and well.
Agreed that the performance is NOT stellar, but the title is a little misleading. We will be getting profit sharing this year, albeit quite a bit less than the last two years. Total for employee group is $119 million.

We reported a full year profit of $589 million before special items related to the merger, contract etc. etc.

Your point about the company's stability is well taken, as this management team seems to be in the weeds
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Expect about 2% of 2012 eligible earnings to come your way on Valentines day. Might splurge and take the wife to Sizzler instead of Golden Corral this year.
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Originally Posted by HSLD
$723 million loss for the year, $640 million loss in the 4th quarter alone - now with job cuts.

United Continental to cut 600 front-office jobs - chicagotribune.com

Some UAL pilots have been on furlough for going on 10 years and are still on the street. I'm shocked that anyone would consider applying here until the company actually showed some stability.

SJS is alive and well.

589 million profit for the year...and when you merge 2 companies, cuts at the top are very normal..no surprise here.
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
Agreed that the performance is NOT stellar, but the title is a little misleading. We will be getting profit sharing this year, albeit quite a bit less than the last two years. Total for employee group is $119 million.

We reported a full year profit of $589 million before special items related to the merger, contract etc. etc.

Your point about the company's stability is well taken, as this management team seems to be in the weeds
But they will "splain" their way right out of those weeds.
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Originally Posted by HSLD
$723 million loss for the year, $640 million loss in the 4th quarter alone - now with job cuts.

United Continental to cut 600 front-office jobs - chicagotribune.com

Some UAL pilots have been on furlough for going on 10 years and are still on the street. I'm shocked that anyone would consider applying here until the company actually showed some stability.

SJS is alive and well.
so far 650 out of 1400+ UAL furlough pilots in CAL side...
each UAL furlough has been offered a job twice, CAL is running out of UAL furloughed interested pilots and has to hire off the street. 412 retirements scheduled in 2013, and additional 500 needed now to fulfill requirement for TA work rules, and 2014 FAR changes.
What else a prospective new hire pilot should wait for?
I know arithmetic is not the strongest for some, but in this case I think it does not lie.
Scheduled retirements for next 10 years - over 4700 pilots...
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